Dodgy elevation on Spartan Sport WHR

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO the 1%

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Dodgy elevation on Spartan Sport WHR:

@TELE-HO the 1%

RiphRaph

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Wow. I guess we’re well into bizarro world if a deviation of anything up to 100 m is considered acceptable!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@RiphRaph please look well. You climb in 8km from 491meters to 515m with only a 1 to 2 max notable ascents.

Yes it goes to bazzaro but this imo is really nitpicking. I don’t argue in this case if you should return / don’t like your watch. For that I understand. Everyone wants the best out of his purchase. But for the sake of the conversion and learning I am only adding my personal and bizzaro opinion.

jsr184

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I get lower numbers when I change threshold of elev. gain/loss (is this what you meant? I can’t find the setting of filtering, there’s only threshold and downsampling). Still, putting a threshold over 2m gives me over 100m difference between Suunto and QS. The thing is, this type of the activity has sudden ascents (and sometimes more sudden descent because people fall :D). Also, sometimes after certain climbs the watch doesn’t register the ascent at all or much less than it really was. Apparently, the data is there as seen in QS but not updating properly the ascent. Maybe I should look at that differently and ask whether Ascent/Descent of Suunto app/watch is design to work with rock climbing?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@jsr184 Good points there. Didn’t know it was climbing (oversaw that)

RiphRaph

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Fair enough. I guess the quality of the Tomtom (which was my first-ever running watch) gave me an overly optimistic idea of what level of accuracy to expect from the tech in general. I’ll be on the lookout for a watch with a barometer in the foreseeable.

At the risk of seeming over-cautious, please delete the post upstream with the graphs that reflect my data.

freeheeler

@RiphRaph
my 2 pennies for you: Ambit 3 Peak Sapphire… elegant, precise for track and alti and almost indestructible

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@RiphRaph delete done bro.

Here is a funny story.

I used to run at 2016 at NL with a group of runners that in NL almost all had tom tom.

I got my Ambit and a Spartan at that point for reference (the ambit).

Well to admit this, all my friends had better tracks. Ambit was only better. GLonass improved it but my spartan was never better in cities. In trails debatable

TomTom is (and was) a great watch

RiphRaph

@TELE-HO There’s a lot of trail runners in these parts who swear by their Ambits. But I’m done with Suunto for the moment because there still doesn’t seem to be any clarity about the future of a web interface. Maybe in a few years’ time, depending.

For the moment, I hear the Fenix 6X Pro has a great barometer, though the price tag is keeping me from pulling the trigger just at present.

RiphRaph

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks.

It was indeed a great watch, a shame it was discontinued. Even the OHR was more than decent, though I prefer to run with a chest strap these days and, sadly, the Runner 3 doesn’t support external sensors.

freeheeler

@RiphRaph
I like to support my nordic friends and also support what they’re doing even if I don’t completely agree on every single point or decision.
The watches are great… maybe you’ll find your desired watch if you don’t decide head over heels

RiphRaph

@TELE-HO In principle, I’d have preferred to stay with a European brand as well. And the build quality of the Spartan is great. But there are a few things about the Suunto ecosystem that I find annoying (over and above the uncertainty surrounding the web interface) and that wouldn’t change if I upgraded to the S9 baro.

So for the moment I’ll be looking elsewhere. In a few years, who knows? Whichever watch I buy next won’t be forever and depending on where Suunto is when my next upgrade falls due, I might return eventually.

isazi

@RiphRaph to be honest, the barometer of the F6 is not awesome either. But having a barometer is better than not having one, considering that error in altitude for the GPS can be quite bad. I’m looking at comparisons of F6 and S9, and the S9 barometer works better in what I’ve seen.

freeheeler

@isazi
plus the rumors about competitors following Suunto with shutting down web service…

isazi

@TELE-HO I haven’t heard about that, and I’ve nothing against Garmin, but the same issues posted here are posted on each vendor’s forum. It’s simply that the grass of the neighbor always looks greener

freeheeler

@isazi
the thing I see with Garmins Grass is that it measures oxygen saturation… but this does not pull me away from my S9B

RiphRaph

@isazi Where are you seeing those comparisons? Can you post links?

RiphRaph

@TELE-HO I couldn’t care less about oxygen saturation, but the F6X Pro claims to measure your rehydration needs (and an acquaintance who owns one and weighs himself before and after exercise to track his hydration status says it’s pretty accurate). Additionally:

Suunto makes you customise your data screens on the web or in the app; Garmin lets you do it on the watch;
The more I use the touchscreen, the more it annoys me; F6X Pro doesn’t have one;
Spartan has no option for displaying clock time during a run unless you hit pause first (WTH??); F6X Pro does (according to an acquaintance who owns one;
Spartan offers VERY limited options for customising interval screens & no five-field option. Three fields isn’t enough and the font on the seven-field display is too small, because:
My middle-aged eyes are having an increasingly hard time making out the Spartan’s display on the run. I’ve seen my acquaintance’s F6X and the display does look a lot easier to make out.

So all of that tends to nudge me away from Suunto when looking for a barometer. For the moment, anyway.

jsr184

@RiphRaph actually, you can see the clock time during run if you customize the run activity. I did that for all activities I track because it was annoying to have to pause just to see the time.