Dodgy elevation on Spartan Sport WHR
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is 1m means meter or minute? Donāt get angry please, but I donāt think I understood what youāve been trying to say The thing is that if I do a climb of 9-10 meters up and then Iām being belayed down itās usually 2-3 minutes of staying pretty much in the same location in 2D floor space. Hence, what QS shows looks more real. I donāt believe that my total ascent registered by Spartan was just little over 100m while I spent in the climbing centre over 8 hours doing just that - climbing (average route 7-10m high). Is it possible that my higher climbs are filtered by Suunto because it assumes no one suddenly can shot up in the air so far in such a small area? 622m vs 111m is even greater difference.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
all the tiny spikes in @jsr184 's recording could also be sealed sensor holes and pumping effectā¦ -
@RiphRaph and yes I could say itās small 30m of a miss. But that is personal and debatable.
But to be fair the tom tom has an external antenna and itās accuracy is well comperable to an Ambit according to many AFAIK
If you are really that concerned about ascent in these small scales you should go for a baro device.
Again and honestly from an ascent freak, anything under 100m up and down āis flatā but that is very ābadā from me to say.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Dodgy elevation on Spartan Sport WHR:
anything under 100m up and down āis flatā
yes it is
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@jsr184 1meter, I am not angry just not putting emoticons. lol.
I am just replying fast.
If you want QS to show you a better ascent I would go to settings and put that filter to 3-4m.
4m is the ideal for all devices. That is not something from the top of my head. More news will come later as I am collaborating with some people and we train neural networks (for QS) and we are trying to publish those results, provide you this clevernes and GAP (on QS).
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@TELE-HO tiny spikes are climbs on the wall :). Itās second half after break (you can see break as almost flat line). The first part is just bouldering with ascents of 3-5 meters (more frequent hence spikes). Except of the lowering altitude over time trend (which seems to be normal with baro) this graph looks pretty much ok.
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@TELE-HO the 1%
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Wow. I guess weāre well into bizarro world if a deviation of anything up to 100 m is considered acceptable!
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@RiphRaph please look well. You climb in 8km from 491meters to 515m with only a 1 to 2 max notable ascents.
Yes it goes to bazzaro but this imo is really nitpicking. I donāt argue in this case if you should return / donāt like your watch. For that I understand. Everyone wants the best out of his purchase. But for the sake of the conversion and learning I am only adding my personal and bizzaro opinion.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I get lower numbers when I change threshold of elev. gain/loss (is this what you meant? I canāt find the setting of filtering, thereās only threshold and downsampling). Still, putting a threshold over 2m gives me over 100m difference between Suunto and QS. The thing is, this type of the activity has sudden ascents (and sometimes more sudden descent because people fall :D). Also, sometimes after certain climbs the watch doesnāt register the ascent at all or much less than it really was. Apparently, the data is there as seen in QS but not updating properly the ascent. Maybe I should look at that differently and ask whether Ascent/Descent of Suunto app/watch is design to work with rock climbing?
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@jsr184 Good points there. Didnāt know it was climbing (oversaw that)
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Fair enough. I guess the quality of the Tomtom (which was my first-ever running watch) gave me an overly optimistic idea of what level of accuracy to expect from the tech in general. Iāll be on the lookout for a watch with a barometer in the foreseeable.
At the risk of seeming over-cautious, please delete the post upstream with the graphs that reflect my data.
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@RiphRaph
my 2 pennies for you: Ambit 3 Peak Sapphireā¦ elegant, precise for track and alti and almost indestructible -
@RiphRaph delete done bro.
Here is a funny story.
I used to run at 2016 at NL with a group of runners that in NL almost all had tom tom.
I got my Ambit and a Spartan at that point for reference (the ambit).
Well to admit this, all my friends had better tracks. Ambit was only better. GLonass improved it but my spartan was never better in cities. In trails debatable
TomTom is (and was) a great watch
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@TELE-HO Thereās a lot of trail runners in these parts who swear by their Ambits. But Iām done with Suunto for the moment because there still doesnāt seem to be any clarity about the future of a web interface. Maybe in a few yearsā time, depending.
For the moment, I hear the Fenix 6X Pro has a great barometer, though the price tag is keeping me from pulling the trigger just at present.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks.
It was indeed a great watch, a shame it was discontinued. Even the OHR was more than decent, though I prefer to run with a chest strap these days and, sadly, the Runner 3 doesnāt support external sensors.
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@RiphRaph
I like to support my nordic friends and also support what theyāre doing even if I donāt completely agree on every single point or decision.
The watches are greatā¦ maybe youāll find your desired watch if you donāt decide head over heels -
@TELE-HO In principle, Iād have preferred to stay with a European brand as well. And the build quality of the Spartan is great. But there are a few things about the Suunto ecosystem that I find annoying (over and above the uncertainty surrounding the web interface) and that wouldnāt change if I upgraded to the S9 baro.
So for the moment Iāll be looking elsewhere. In a few years, who knows? Whichever watch I buy next wonāt be forever and depending on where Suunto is when my next upgrade falls due, I might return eventually.
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@RiphRaph to be honest, the barometer of the F6 is not awesome either. But having a barometer is better than not having one, considering that error in altitude for the GPS can be quite bad. Iām looking at comparisons of F6 and S9, and the S9 barometer works better in what Iāve seen.