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    Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks

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    • ? Offline
      A Former User
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      This is a snapshot from Strava Flybys from today’s trail run that I did with two friends wearing Garmins.
      Suunto 9 - pink
      Fenix 5X Plus - blue
      FR 920 - black

      Screen Shot 2019-11-30 at 7.09.50 PM.png

      I wouldn’t say that Suunto’s track is the best here. It looks more angular due to slower logging rate and clearly cuts through all left turns more than other watches. This was uphill walking on a steep slope.

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        surfboomerang
        last edited by surfboomerang

        The Suunto track looks pretty awful, but the other two watches aren’t much better imo. Did you use GPS only or GPS+ GLONASS/GAL?

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          A Former User @surfboomerang
          last edited by A Former User

          @surfboomerang GPS only. I should mention that this place is fairly challenging for GPS devices. It is on a steep slope covered with tall trees.

          I should also add that the GPS was logged every 8-15 seconds here. I strongly suspect that some algorithm was involved there because the points were logged only once the distance increased 10-11 meters from the previous point. The distance between points was very consistent and on these switchbacks was never less than 10 meters. I looked directly into the FIT file.

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
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            @silentvoyager if you are on Android and perhaps experimenting with the SUUNTO app you can pull the raw data. That will give you a better overview.

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              Yes the track is aweful

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                A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks:

                Yes the track is aweful

                This is a very typical track for the local Pacific Northwest mountains, not worse than usual. This particular fragment is from a steep (reaching 40-50%) slope with dense evergreen tree coverage, but so are a lot of local trails. That is the reason Ambit series watches were so popular in this area. Ambits did noticable better than other watches.

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                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks:

                  you can pull the raw data

                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is it done automatically or did we need to do something to get “raw data”? and what exactly is “raw data”?

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                  • stromdiddilyS Offline
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                    @silentvoyager you use GPS only around here still? Seems to me like GLONASS works at least a little bit better.

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                      Mff73 @suzzlo
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                      @suzzlo said in Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks:

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks:

                      you can pull the raw data

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is it done automatically or did we need to do something to get “raw data”? and what exactly is “raw data”?

                      BR

                      https://forum.suunto.com/topic/520/additional-external-tools/236
                      Where to find raw data
                      And some nice future stuff eventually
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                        @stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 Baro vs. Garmin Fenix 5 vs. old Garmin FR 920 on tight switchbacks:

                        @silentvoyager you use GPS only around here still? Seems to me like GLONASS works at least a little bit better.

                        I have yet to try Glonass. I’ve read that Glonass may be hit or miss. It might help in some cases but occasionally it may also cause large errors.

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                          @silentvoyager
                          I would really like to know how the 3 available systems work independently from each other.
                          Hope Suunto gives us a toggle to switch them on/off separately

                          living sideways

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                            isazi Moderator @freeheeler
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                            @TELE-HO there’s plenty of research papers on the topic. For simple users like us, there is no advantage of using GLONASS or Galileo on their own, unless you want reduced accuracy. If you play a bit with coverage and positioning errors (find something online) you’ll see that without GPS they are pretty terrible.

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                              freeheeler @isazi
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                              @isazi
                              but only beceause that’s what is today, doesn’t mean it is still like that tomorrow?

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                                isazi Moderator @freeheeler
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                                @TELE-HO for the foreseeable future, GLONASS and Galileo (obviously we are not talking about military use here) are to enhance GPS. Will there be a day in which they’ll work on their own? Probably, when more satellites will be on-line and working according to specs, and more frequencies will be used, but that’s beyond the hardware and life span of the watches we are wearing today.

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                                  @isazi
                                  https://www.deingenieur.nl/artikel/after-13-years-galileo-satellite-navigation-complete-at-last

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                                    I always use Galileo can you try that ?

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                                      isazi Moderator @freeheeler
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                                      @TELE-HO extract from https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/galileo-accident/

                                      “The current status of Galileo is not that great. There are 26 satellites in space, 2 of them in botched (elliptical) orbits, 2 of them unavailable, 1 unavailable until further notice. This makes for 21 functional satellites, which is less than the “healthy” number of 24. Anything below 24 causes gaps in coverage, or at least, areas where the positioning accuracy will not be good enough.”

                                      You can play, in real-time, with the coverage of different GNSS systems on http://galmon.eu

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                                        @isazi 😮

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