Future S9 firmware wishlist summary

surfboomerang

@halajos said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

My wishes/suggestions to improve navigation:

On route preview screen use the lower button to activate the navigation screen. When I’m starting at an intersection, this would let me see which way to go before I hit the start button.

When the activity is paused the navigation screen should be accessible via the middle button. This would help the orientation at an intersection if auto-pause is enabled.

Small addition on the second point: All screens should be visible during pause

Rob33

Already asked but important:
Possibility of stopping the GPS track but keeping the chrono, so as not to disturb the distances on food supplies or stops in ultra trail. To have the total time.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Rob33 it automatically can do that. If you don’t move it wont register GPS

Rob33

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
On an ultra trail, I sometimes stop for up to 20-25 minutes to eat, sometimes change clothes … During this time, even moving very little, the GPS marks the trail
Example:

In this case +/- 300- 400m

bart80

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:
The other option would be to just make intervals more customizable, but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

Why is that ? How hard it have to be implement customizable intervals.?

@Bartosz-Różański why does the sun set in the West?

Brad_Olwin

@bartula said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:
The other option would be to just make intervals more customizable, but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

Why is that ? How hard it have to be implement customizable intervals.?

Suunto has done this with SuuntoPlus Sprint. Here is a Strava link to complex intervals that I ran. I did not have to set them up in the watch, I simply started by hitting the lap button once and all of the intervals were recorded automatically.
https://strava.app.link/KyP5EjOk49

@Brad_Olwin again though, this is a really barebones version of the top end of such a feature. Intensity zones must be set manually and if they change during the duration of a workout you have to go change them, with this you can’t stack different types of intervals such as working through a ladder on a track without reseting it at each interval distance. The point of this type of a workout on a watch is to set it and forget it. When I’m cruising I just want my watch to tell me to go faster or slower and not have to remember how fast or how slow or for how long.

I refuse to understand Suunto’s logic in that this is a rarely requested feature and/or the Suunto 9 is geared towards ultramarathoners so it has more ultramarathoner featuresets. If this were the case, it wouldn’t be so frequently requested by people on this forum and by word of mouth, and there would be other watches in their lineup that provide features more aligned with triathletes, 5k runners, weekend warriors.

The plain truth is it’s not a feature they will fully invest in. It was discontinued after the Ambit and th th th th thaaat’s all folks.

Brad_Olwin

@zrumlow @bartula Not necessarily, This was a ladder workout and I have done ladders, pyramids, etc. Admittedly, I cannot set up the intervals ahead of time but that is fine as this implementation is better. You can use different intensity zones, for example either HR, Pace or Power Zones using a couple of different screens. All you have to remember is the workout or write it down somewhere, I remember mine. For example, next Tuesday I have this:
Vo2 Pick-ups at 10k to 5k pace. After warming up 1mile Z2. Then build pace for 1 min pick-up, rest 2 min. Then pick-up 2 min, rest 2 min. Then pickup 3 min, rest 2 min. Then pickup for 4 min, rest 2min. Then pick-up for 5 min, rest 2 min. Work at 10k pace. Keep your feet moving on rest interval, allow HR to drop into Z2. Then reverse 5,4,3,2,1 w/ 2min rest. Work at 5k pace. Quick cadence. Lean into the speed from ankles, chest up and open. Drive elbows back, shoulder relaxed. Cool down Z2.

It is from my coach added to TrainingPeaks but not set up as a structured interval. I could create a TP structured interval and upload to Stryd on my Apple Watch, taking 15 to 20 min of my time and then I am locked into the interval, or…

I will start AutoSprint and set Pace Zones with my 10k target. After warm up I hit the lap button then run 1 min, rest (2min), run 2 min, rest, run 3 min, rest, run 4 min, rest, run 5 min, rest( during this rest I will reset intensity to 5k pace target, no big deal) then I can remember to run 5, 4, 3, 2 ,1 and I am done. Autosprint will automatically set the laps appropriately with rests using either pace or power if I used my Stryd. It takes no preparation time and all I have to do is remember the workout. Just like magic! Frankly, I don’t understand why you need the workouts programmed down to the second loaded into the watch, it allows no flexibility (for example, if my shoelace is undone, or if I get a cramp my intervals are screwed with your set up). With the implementation I now have I would be able to start back on the interval when ready and it would record, brilliant!

BTW, the workout is from my coach, only three of us have Suunto’s, the rest Garmin. Guess who never, ever programs in complex workouts? Anyone! All the Garmin folks find it far easier to just use the lap button, now I don’t even have to use a lap button as any complex interval I decide to run is automatically parsed into laps by either SuuntPlus Sprint SuuntoPlus Climb or SuuntoPlus Loop. Have you even tried these? From your post it does not seem so.

bart80

@Brad_Olwin I have my S9B for two weeks now. Before I was using Ambit 2 Black for 5 years and I have never used intervals implemented there. I was running the same way as you desribe, just checking the period and clicking laps, but when I have found Ambit Intervals (http://www.ambitintervals.com/#!/) planner based on Ambit Apps it was a game changer for me.

I have found that during structured trainings (fartleks, intervals) I was constantly checking the watch for time (most of my training are based on time duration) which was a little distracting. I found that if my watch will inform me about the run/rest part end it is easier for me to concentrate on workout.

@Brad_Olwin, now with S9B I had to go back to my (and yours) old technique with laps (excluding standard workouts with constant interval period - I use there intervals feature on watch). During my last fartlek piramid session (1’ + 2’ + 3’ + 4’ + 3’ + 2’ + 1’ / rest 2 ') I was trying to change duration targets (I am never using pace target) during rest but I have found this not easy, and distracting.

As I have mentioned I have my S9B for two weeks and have not used SuuntoPlus Sprints but want to try this. I have used only normal interval and yes, it is nice because it informs when run/rest period ends and that is what I desire.

So you see, structured intervals on watch can be helpful just to not distract from good workout.

Brad_Olwin

@bartula For your Fartlek session all you have to do is enable SuuntoPlus Sprint and just do the workout, you do not need to press buttons, the SuuntoPlus field will show the time elapsed in the interval and the pace.

@Brad_Olwin ya, so I tried this workout today. The problem is it autolaps whenever you slow down a certain amount. So, I started my first leg at about a 5:20 for about 100 meters and then realized I jumped on the gas and dropped it to my 6:00 pace. It detected this and split the watch. I had planned on doing this for 400 meters and then doing a 6:45 for 1200 meters. I could just as easily do this with intervals but saw that you mentioned it as a possibility and figured it saved me the hassel of changing the interval length.

Again, it’s a cool thought, but it is not exceedingly well executed.

@Brad_Olwin I also don’t want to be Mr. Poopy Pants but this is just another example of the inadequacies of this software.

Here is a hill repeat workout from this morning with the Suunto+ Hill featureset turned on along with 0.10 mile intervals with 0.10 mile recovery. Note that the grade of the hill that I run averages at 6% and is a constant climb so these should have been picked up. In my mind there should be either 7 climbs or 3 hills detected as I turn off after my last climb and recover. I’ll even give it the 2 hills I have to climb to get to this hill from the house and the 1 it takes to get home. Somehow though the watch counted 6 hills and only one of them was of an actual interval set (0.1 up and 0.1 down). I suspect that it’s my speed relative to the actual time it takes for measurements which causes the watch to have this poor response.

This really doesn’t affect this workout for me as I am just going all out up and down a hill, but I’m not going to use a feature out running mountains if a) it provides little utility and/or b) I can’t trust it to accurately or even precisely produce results.

I’m not even going to include the 10 repeats I did before this because it didn’t pickup a single hill, and I had to manually split each one because I selected the incorrect sport mode and couldn’t set up intervals. Ultimately, it’s just disappointing that these featuresets are produced and presumably took a good amount of time to do so when other, simpler featuresets could be produced that would produce expected results. I might be the only person with this opinion, and if so I guess it just will be what it will be.

https://www.suunto.com/move/zacharyrumlow/5f70b261780fee6ac9eeb99a

https://strava.app.link/wI7DS5NS79

Ignore the 0.18 mile interval at a ludicrous pace, my shoelace came undone coming downhill, so I had to pause the watch, and it always wigs out for the first couple of recording intervals after that.

bart80

@Brad_Olwin But the case for me is not to have the intervals automatically “lapped”. I want my watch to inform me that the interval period has ended (for example 1’ passed) and I do not have to monitor my watch.

I will test the SuuntoPlus Sprint feature but my worries are that if I have intervals shorter than 1’ (i.e. 30’') the watch will not be enough precise. For sure I will test that.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@bartula said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

I will test the SuuntoPlus Sprint feature but my worries are that if I have intervals shorter than 1’ (i.e. 30’’) the watch will not be enough precise. for sure I will test that

wont help in that way I agree

@bartula This is what I hoped the S9B will get 2 years ago. Configuring intervals that the watch beeps or vibrates when an interval ends. I also do not want to check during a high effort every now and then if the interval already ended.

Maybe @Brad_Olwin not only remembers his pyramid intervals but also counts the seconds so he exactly knows when his interval ends

And guess what: all my workouts are planned properly in TP and automatically sync to Garmin Connect and my watch. I just press start training and run.

But maybe Suunto will implement it into its watches sometime.

@trail-cafe let’s be frank, some people are here to be cheerleaders for Suunto and others are here to be honest about the clear limitations of their products.

isazi

@zrumlow or maybe people are different and have different requirements

cosme.costa

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@trail-cafe let’s be frank, some people are here to be cheerleaders for Suunto and others are here to be honest about the clear limitations of their products.

If you are not happy with their products you can always change to other brand, if you hadn’t already, but then I do not know what do you do complaining in this very forum.

I’m not a chreerleader of Suunto, I complain from what it is important for me. So I empathize with you to a certain limit, BTW I couldn’t care less abut complex intervals, I’ve never used them and I’m not sure I’m going to do ever. For me the really ones that can complain about complex intervals are the owners of the ambits if they are really losing this feature that they already have, the owners of Spartans or S3/5/7/9 we can’t complain for a feature that has never been advertised or promised. We can ask for it, and if suunto wants/can (we do not know the watch limitations) we will have it, but if not we won’t.

Let’s be frank, the only power that we have over private companies, if we have some, is not to buy they products, so when you buy a product check before that it really fits your needs and if you are not sure you have 2 weeks to return it, or buy it in amazon and then you will have one month.

PS: I do not care about intervals (simple or complex) but if suunto decides to add the structured ones they will be welcome.

sartoric

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@trail-cafe let’s be frank, some people are here to be cheerleaders for Suunto and others are here to be honest about the clear limitations of their products.

So, you’re in fact saying that people here belongs to these 2 categories :
1 - Blind fanboy
2 - Truth-bearer unsatisfied tech-restricted honest guys

A little bit restrictive, Isn’t it ?