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      Stavrogin @Łukasz Szmigiel
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      @Łukasz-Szmigiel I loaded it up and was able to start an activity. However when I hit the lap button Constantin disappeared the first time I tried. On the second attempt I was able to keep it on the screen. Looks like it might be fixed.

      Suunto Vertical, Race, Race 2, Race S and Run. Rocking the Vertical 2 Titanium at the moment.
      Garmin: Fenix 7X, Epix Pro 51mm, Forerunner 265.
      Coros: Pace Pro, Apex 4

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        Łukasz Szmigiel
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        I’ve been able to release a few updates oriented around lowering the hardware load of the app and yet even today I’ve received a feedback that the app is rebooting the watch - and it’s always Vertical 2.

        Are there any known issues or something that’s not specified in the documentation in relation to Vertical 2? @dimitrios-kanellopoulos , @suuntopartnerteam ?

        Can I help somehow in debugging the issue by adding extra logging, etc.?

        S9PP 2.50.28

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        • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
          Łukasz Szmigiel
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          Constantin 2.02 is out 🏃

          Quick update for anyone running Constantin, the steady-pacing SuuntoPlus app.

          With the 2.x line everything now lives on a single workout screen — pace, heart rate, their trend lines, and your current heart-rate zone, all visible at once. No more switching views with the upper button.

          Also, the trend chart zooms in tighter, so a slow drift in pace or heart rate is much easier to catch early — while big swings still fit on screen. If you tend to fade gradually, or your HR creeps up while your pace still looks fine, you’ll spot it sooner (although it may require more fine-tuning for slow drift).

          Works on UI2 watches (Suunto 9 Peak Pro and newer). Feedback and bug reports very welcome. I hope that this time it’ll work smoothly with V2 as well.

          Happy running!

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            althaea35 Bronze Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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            @Łukasz-Szmigiel this is my favourite app and with me every base run.

            Thank you!

            Suunto M5, Quest, Trackpod, A2S, SSU, S9B, S9P, Race
            Garmin 305, 60, 405, Fenix 2, 945, 955
            Polar M430, Vantage V

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            • VoiGASV Offline
              VoiGAS Gold Members
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              Sounds like a great app - unfortunately I don’t have a lot of flat tracks available… is live NGP also possible for the Pace value?


              Race S
              Vertical Titanium Solar
              Ambit3 Vertical

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                Łukasz Szmigiel @VoiGAS
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                @VoiGAS I’m investigating it. Also speed for biking instead of pace. I mean - it’s possible, why not. The issue is if the platform will handle it all.

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                  Łukasz Szmigiel @althaea35
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                  @althaea35 thanks, I made it to help me avoid pushing too hard on my runs. My migraine doesn’t like too high effort and hr. Glad to see it’s useful for others!

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                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                    Łukasz Szmigiel
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                    Welp. Here we go again. I’m investigating zapps being unloaded when Constantin 2.0+ is being used with ZoneSense. It seems that the S+ app can be either custom designed or have custom features but not both 😄

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                    • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                      Łukasz Szmigiel
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                      It’s quite likely that 2.05 will finally be stable when running along ZS and navigation. I’ve uploaded it to Suunto platform but the file hasn’t been updated yet.

                      If you’re seeing a big, white dot on the screen instead of two-color arch - it’s 2.05 or newer.

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                        vinc14 Bronze Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                        @Łukasz-Szmigiel said:

                        How To Use
                        Start your workout

                        Hello
                        i have a route I do my Trailrunning,
                        i think it would better fit then the ghost runner.
                        but, have it installed but can’t find in my watch.

                        have a nice day
                        vinc

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                        • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                          Łukasz Szmigiel
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                          New version is in.

                          The good:
                          There’s speed as default, pace for running and ngp for trail running.

                          The bad:
                          Used along zonesense and navigation crashes the app (the watch unloads Constantin to free UI memory).

                          So… Let’s see how far I can optimise it. I suspect I’ll have to remove the HR arch and the white center point as a minimum to make it stable.

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                            lessthanmore Bronze Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                            @Łukasz-Szmigiel Just wanted to test it this morning.
                            I use Runna for training plan generation and started a workout + Constantin which ended in a crash and reboot.
                            I just started the activity and wanted to toggle to Constantin.
                            1st page, standard overview (pace, distance, etc.), 2nd page map, 3rd page would have been either Constantin or the workout/ interval view. Not sure since the watch stalled and then rebooted.

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                              Łukasz Szmigiel @lessthanmore
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                              @lessthanmore yeah I know. Check if you have today’s version on your device. It should be 21.06 and 2.08. It should be fixed.

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                              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                Hi everyone,

                                I’ve uploaded a new Constantin version: 2.08.

                                This update is mainly about stability. Some users, especially on newer watches when using route navigation and other SuuntoPlus apps like ZoneSense at the same time, could see Constantin or another SuuntoPlus app get unloaded during an activity. The watch logs pointed to the screen/UI side being overloaded, not to the sport calculations themselves.

                                So this version makes the workout screen much lighter.

                                What changed

                                • The app now uses fewer internal data channels between the app logic and the watch screen.
                                • The old separate chart-history outputs were removed.
                                • The chart drawing was simplified.
                                • The heart-rate zone arc was replaced with a simple colored vertical bar on the right edge of the chart.
                                • The “now” dot was removed.
                                • The trend chart now builds toward a broader view of effort over roughly the last 10 minutes. Early in the workout, or shortly after opening the Constantin screen, the chart may show a shorter trend until enough data has been collected.
                                • The app keeps one focused screen with movement speed, heart rate, trend, and HR zone context.

                                This should reduce the UI memory/load pressure that was causing crashes or SuuntoPlus apps being unloaded, especially when Constantin is used together with navigation or ZoneSense. I tested this version yesterday on a watch and it worked as expected.

                                Sport-specific display

                                The main workout value now adapts to the sport:

                                • Road, track, treadmill, and track-and-field running show pace.
                                • Trail, vertical, orienteering, obstacle, and adventure running show NGP.
                                • Other sports show speed.

                                So the screen should now better match the type of activity, while staying simpler and lighter for the watch.

                                What’s next

                                I’m planning more UI work in future versions, but the focus will stay on readability, stability, and simplicity rather than adding new features or more metrics.

                                Feedback is very welcome, especially reports about crashes or SuuntoPlus apps being unloaded. If you see a problem, please share the watch model, activity type, other SuuntoPlus apps used, and whether route navigation was active.

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                                  lessthanmore Bronze Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                  @Łukasz-Szmigiel Cool, thanks. How can I check which version is on the watch?

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                                  • Speed ManS Offline
                                    Speed Man Bronze Member
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                                    I really liked the first version. Having the data separated made it much easier to monitor and control each metric. The layout was cleaner, easier to read at a glance, and more practical during a workout.

                                    The new version looks good too, but I would love to keep the +/- values for both heart rate and pace. Being able to see exactly how much HR and pace have increased or decreased made it much easier to understand the drift and make adjustments during the activity.

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                                    • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                      Łukasz Szmigiel @Speed Man
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                                      @Speed-Man thanks for your review! Noted. I’ve reduced the app to one screen because of stability issues but since I’ve found a new, stable method - perhaps it’ll be possible to get back to different screens too and the visible delta.

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                                        Łukasz Szmigiel @Speed Man
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                                        @Speed-Man you can go to watch settings in the Suunto App, then view the apps that are synced to the watch, select Constantin and scroll to the bottom of the page to see when it was updated.

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                                          Speed Man Bronze Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                          @Łukasz-Szmigiel Now it’s on the latest version. Thank you very much for the support and continuous improvements 😁

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                                            Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                            Constantin 2.12

                                            Steadier drift view, new detail screens, and a website

                                            Hi everyone,

                                            I’ve just published Constantin 2.12, a new version of my SuuntoPlus app for monitoring movement-speed and heart-rate drift during workouts.

                                            What’s new in 2.12

                                            This release focuses on making the app clearer, smoother, and more stable during real workouts.

                                            Three switchable views

                                            Three views are back, but this time without the need of reloading the template:

                                            • Drift — combined movement-speed and heart-rate trend
                                            • Pace / Speed / NGP — movement-speed detail view
                                            • Heart Rate — HR detail view

                                            The upper button switches between them:

                                            • short press: next view
                                            • long press: previous view

                                            All views share the same collected trend data, so switching views does not reset the chart.

                                            Smoother and more representative trend chart

                                            Trend values are now averaged over each recording interval during up to 10 minutes (four bucket, each 2:30 min average + “now” refreshed every 3 seconds). The chart now reaches further back and gives a broader view of how effort is changing over time.

                                            Better behavior when data briefly drops

                                            If GPS/speed data drops briefly, the chart should hold its history instead of clearing. When you stop moving without pausing the activity, the movement-speed trend holds the last valid sample while heart rate can continue updating.

                                            Shared scale for pace and heart rate drift

                                            In the combined drift view, both lines now share one visual scale and meet at the same point on the right. This should make it easier to see whether movement speed and heart rate are drifting together or diverging.

                                            HR zone bar appears immediately

                                            The heart-rate zone bar now appears as soon as an HR zone is active, without waiting for the trend chart to fill.

                                            More stable alongside navigation and other SuuntoPlus apps

                                            A lot of work in this release went into making the app behave more calmly under load, especially when used together with route navigation or other SuuntoPlus apps.

                                            Website with details

                                            I also published a small website with more details, screenshots, and explanation of how the app works:

                                            https://constantin.szmigiel.design/

                                            Feedback is very welcome, especially from people testing it during longer workouts, route navigation, or together with other SuuntoPlus apps.

                                            S9PP 2.50.28

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