[DONE] Selling S9 bought Garmin Fenix 5x

mbergi

@ColdBeer in my opinion movescount would have been absolutely worth it to be further developed. For sure it’s not enough for pro athletes, but imo it was the best solution for HOBBY runners, trailrunners, mountainbikers, hikers and even a lot of triathletes liked it very much. I really don’t get why Suunto drops it. Who makes those desicions?!

Brad_Olwin

@ColdBeer For me, the bells and whistles don’t matter, I need training information and the info on Garmin Web is much worse than Movescount and for the Garmin app is no better than the Suunto app. It doesn’t matter how much junk is on it, the “training info” on the Garmin app and watch is useless AFIK as is Recovery time on the Suunto watches and Movescount. Again my 2Cents.

I have tried .mobi but have not investigated the Training potential. I do not think it is as good as WKO4 though. I disagree with you as it does not matter whether Suunto app has only 30% of Garmin capabilities, neither is sufficient so I would rather not have the extra “junk.” Once I can export .fit files from Suunto App I will be happier or sync all data with Training Peaks it will be sufficient. I have a very different view here as I do not want or need to see steps or 24/7 hr or much of anything else. I doubt the Suunto App or Garmin apps will ever be useful for training. I need reliable sync, offline sync., maps with waypoints (I love the heatmap), watch customization, planned moves and all data transferred to 3rd party or downloaded.

ColdBeer

@mbergi I could understand the decision to migrate to a new platform based on several things (as an IT manager). But doesn’t agree the fact that they are forgetting the good job made and experience developed on Movescount. IMHO, I would order to develop a new WEB (fully web and multi-device) platform to view, review, analyze and work with our workouts, and for the start, based on the job made before on Movescount. This web platform could be linked on a light mobile app (developed separately for iOS and Android) which just have the code to sync watches and send notifications, while the hard job is common on the web (and the same for the different platforms).

mbergi

@ColdBeer my full approval

Brad_Olwin

I think that long-term the app will be close to Movescount. Here is another reason for the move to the app. This is a fictional rendition…Many moons ago in Ambit world, many, many customers complained about being tied to the web to change watchfaces, etc. So, Suunto makes a bold decision…the Ambit platform will not support all the customization we need in the watch and on mobile. So, we design a complete new modern OS that can grow, we know mobile is the future so we will invest there and get the basics running, build mobile and then see if a web interface is still needed.

I think that a lot of features are coming…ones we do not discuss much that will push the Suunto watches and mobile platform into an integrated unit. Our voices may change once we see the app come out of beta…

mbergi

@Brad_Olwin I like your positive attitude!

ColdBeer

@Brad_Olwin Again, I agree with you if I try to be under your skin. But I’m trying to think in 2 ways: as the totally nerd (about trainings, workouts, and sportwatches) I were 24 months ago, and as a medium (but techy) user I am right now.
So, as you know, the “bells and whistles” matters in the sport market. You can’t look everything with your own glasses. I understand that profesional (or specialized) analysis and programming needs an special way. That’s the reason syncing between platforms are great. But for those who will never spend 60$/year on a training platform, plus 600$/year (at least) for a professional trainer… I really think (and most athletes I meet) that Garmin, Polar and Suunto (movescount) platforms are good enough. And movescount, unless until the turn on Suunto, was probably the best one in this playing field.

LAST UPDATE: I agree: at the end the app will be close to Movescount but… which one? iOS app? Android app? They are two totally different apps, they are running by different ways and have got different bugs and issues. And the app, at the end, just work on the mobile device. Most people (and I said “most” because this is all-around known) doesn’t make the hard work on a mobile device. But please, don’t forget that the web solution doesn’t mean it’s just for desktop. As you could work with sporttracks.mobi or TrainingPeaks on your mobile browser (or inside an app)…

Luís Pinto

@Brad_Olwin I think web and app have they own space. SA pratical, when you are away from home you can able to custom fields, and upload moves, have a social support; Movescount web personally i am a fan. To see maps, routes, graphs, nothing beats a large screen. Maybe I’m getting old.
Disadvantages? Not portable like having the app in your pocket.
What is now important is to have platform communication.

ColdBeer

@Luís-Pinto said in [DONE] Selling S9 bought Garmin Fenix 5x:

@Brad_Olwin I think web and app have they own space. SA pratical, when you are away from home you can able to custom fields, and upload moves, have a social support; Movescount web personally i am a fan. To see maps, routes, graphs, nothing beats a large screen. Maybe I’m getting old.
Disadvantages? Not portable like having the app in your pocket.
What is now important is to have platform communication.

Just try sporttracks.mobi on your desktop and on your mobile browsers and check the differences (for that reason, sporttracks.mobi doesn’t have an independent mobile app). That is a good developed web platform. And in the background, TrainingPeaks is using exactly the same web under the envelope of a light app, so the web parts are common and exact between devices.

Phil Bradburn

So what suxtext?

madsenjk

@mbergi I agree with this 100% I am struggling with the new changes and no ability to import all my old workouts.

Hello everyone

IMHO, I bought the S9 Baro Black with all the illusion to have an amazing smartwatch fitness tracking device, after I did my homework researching all the high-end devices, I decided to go to Suunto.

I gave it a try for 60 days, and I finally disappointed with it so I also decided to sell it and go for Garmin Fenix 5X+
S9 is an amazing piece of hardware but it is not what I am looking for or what I need.
I don’t do an ultra marathon or even a quarter marathon. I am a user that want my sleep track with insight about my recovery, my calorie count, my heart rate 24x7, floor climb, treadmill, elliptical, aerobics, cycling and walking.
I don’t need to have my tracks to the 0.1 m GPS precision.

So, the S9 is just 2 months old, bought is directly from Suunto Finland and I paid $815, if anyone interested I am selling for $600. We can use PayPal for security for both parties.

Thanks everyone

Saketo Nemo

Fair enough. Every use has a proper watch. Your use is very similar to what is offered by a fitness tracker. Thake a look to the precision of features like floor climb, I think you will be surprised. let us know how you will find yourself with the fenix

SlaSh

@Saketo-Nemo AW4 gives for me very accurate floors none of Garmin watches were so accurate same with ohrm it is incredible accurate.

Here are the comparison between S9 and F5X+
One in each hand…

What do you think?

jw cou

@Marcel-Baliño thanks for sharing, it’s interesting!
So it looks like the moving time (and pace) and the weather condition are the additional data you can see in Garmin app and not available in Sunnto app. And the PTE/Epoc have different but somehow equivalent (?) measures in the Garmin world.

I don’t know how it works but I like the ‘badges’ thing (first 5k, best 10k, most km in a week etc…), something in the list of the requested features in SA so hopefully should be available soon.

About the UI, I do prefer the SA one (especially IOS, your screen captures are Android), it looks to me “leaner” and less a catalogue of data. But that’s personal taste and may be simply because I am now used to SA UI.

Finally, data (gps and hr) looks globally more accurate with the Garmin watch, but one test on one walk is not a good and fair comparison. I’ve seen in this forum several examples of OHR not being accurate the first 5 min, I don’t know what I do differently but never experienced it so far (and I don’t do a 10min warm-up…), could be as simple as the shape of my wrist I guess.

That’s what I think

Saketo Nemo

Seems good & good for you !
Indeed, i was talking abount floor climbing. I know that is not a feature very reliable (for what it can count…)

marvelmike

@mbergi
Same here, although moving to S9 only a year ago.
No compatibility with ANT+ anymore, having to buy all new sensors.
Not able to pair two bike pods (speed and Cadence)
Not able to add Cadence Pod as foot pot to Bike workout profile for Cadence
Poor backlight in display
…
Suunto watches (I am a formerly proud user since t6d) used to be prefect and flawless. Taking luck out of the equation. You could rely on them and not fear that you would discover a software bug, once out in the wilderness.

S9 is a complicated sports watch and a poor smart watch.

Looking forward to fenix7

sartoric

@marvelmike
Out of curiosity, isn’t fenix6 good enough ?

@sartoric said in [DONE] Selling S9 bought Garmin Fenix 5x:

@marvelmike
Out of curiosity, isn’t fenix6 good enough ?

I guess it may be a question of price also. During black friday 2020 the Fenix 6 was in Portugal at 300eur, never seen it so cheap, but with the release of fenix 7 I guess the prices will lower also.
On my side I am curious both about fenix 7 and Suunto “10”