Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture)
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Normally, when there are waypoints are on the route, the new climb guidance 2.0 allows 4 zoom levels:
#1: One “segment” of the elevation profile with the next waypoint at the end of the zoomed in profile
#2: Two “segments” of the elevation profile with the second next waypoint waypoint at the end of the zoomed in profile
#3: Three “segments” - with the third next waypoint at the end
#4: The entire elevation profile with all waypoints.The example of the zoom level #4 (the full profile) is shown in the photo below:
At this point, you’d think it should be possible to zoom in twice - to zoom levels #2 and #1. Obviously, we cannot see three segments because there are only two remaining.
However in reality, the watch allows me to zoom in only once to zoom level #1 - to see the part of the profile from the current point to the last waypoint and where the second from the end climb ends. But there is no way to see the profile from the current point to the end at a zoomed in fashion. Arguably, the entire remaining profile is already shown in the above view, which is zoom level #4. However, as you can see, the profile is really compressed and it is difficult to see any details. It seems the zooming logic is based on the number of remaining waypoints rather than profile “segments”, which I think is flawed because nobody is going to have a waypoint at the very end. Should we?
Can this please be fixed? The zooming logic should work as if there was an additional waypoint at the very end of the route.
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@sky-runner I’ll report this for you, with a link to this post
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@isazi said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
@sky-runner I’ll report this for you, with a link to this post
Thank you, @isazi!
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@isazi I wanted to add two things that are related:
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Something is definitely off with the zooming in/out logic. What I’ve observed several times is that when I scroll the crown the elevation graph doesn’t change but asent and descent numbers change slightly. It behaves is if there were two waypoints very close to each other, but that isn’t the case.
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Climb guidance 2.0 becomes super confusing when the route is reversed. For example in the photo below I am actually climbing and the graph moves right to left. This isn’t an acceptable user experience by any means:
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I really like v2. Well done Suunto team.
It works very well when used properly with Waypoints.There’s only one thing missing (mentioned earlier on the forum) – when using Waypoints, there’s still a one zoom level missing that would show the current ascent regardless of the next Waypoint.
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@sky-runner said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
Climb guidance 2.0 becomes super confusing when the route is reversed. For example in the photo below I am actually climbing and the graph moves right to left. This isn’t an acceptable user experience by any means:
exactly, the graph should be flipped horizontally when the route is reversed, the current implementation is a bit raw
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yes, this is under construction and will very likely be changed with the next Firmware
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I used it on a hike several times and this is how I understood it worked:
zoomed out: entire elevation profile
zoom in: elevation profile up to the next waypoint
zoom in more: elevation profile to the next climb peak point -
@Bartek-W said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
I used it on a hike several times and this is how I understood it worked:
zoomed out: entire elevation profile
zoom in: elevation profile up to the next waypoint
zoom in more: elevation profile to the next climb peak pointNo, that isn’t how it works. Once climb guidance 2.0 mode is activated, if you have at least one waypoint on the route, there is no longer a way to zoom to the next climb peak point. Besides, that isn’t really how the original Climb guidance work either. I can explain that. Also, your next climb peak point can be further than your next waypoint if the waypoint is in the middle of the climb. So this becomes complicated and that is probably why Suunto didn’t implement it the way you suggested.
I used it enough times with multiple waypoints to understand exactly how it works. There are 4 zoom levels that are based on “segments” between waypoints:
- One segment, i.e. showing the profile to the next waypoint
- Two segments, i.e. showing two waypoints on the elevation profile
- Three segments, i.e. showing three waypoints
- The entire profile
The problem that I described in this post is that at the end of the route, when you are close to the end, it can no longer display zoom levels 2 or 3. Even if you still have ahead of you one waypoint before the end of the route, which means there are two “segments”, it can no longer switch to zoom level 2 or 3, and can only switch between zoom level 1 and 4. However the problem with the zoom level 4, even though technically it shows everything, is that it is horribly compressed if the route is long, so all details are lost and the profile becomes useless. In other words, if you look at the screenshot above, at that point the zoom level 2 can no longer be used even though it should still be possible.
I don’t even understand how this very obvious issue was allowed to go though and be released? Anyone who actually used this feature on a long route would see it right away. I noticed it the very first time I used this feature. To me, that means that either Suunto doesn’t have beta testers who are target users for this feature or perhaps that the development team has ignored their feedback.
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@maszop fully agree on this one! One extra zoom level should be possible.
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Also, if anyone from Suunto sees this, the way the profile is rendered makes it harder to use the feature. In my opinion, when the already covered part of the profile is rendered, the already visited waypoints should be less bright or not rendered at all because they no longer matter, but the profile line should be more visible to give a better sense of scale of where you are on the overall profile. As it is currently rendered, the already visited part of the profile is practically invisible.
Also, if possible the font for the remaining distance should be a bit larger - that is a very important data point. At the same time, the font used for the remaining climb and descent could be a bit smaller to give the profile a bit more vertical space.
