Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture)

Bartek W

I used it on a hike several times and this is how I understood it worked:
zoomed out: entire elevation profile
zoom in: elevation profile up to the next waypoint
zoom in more: elevation profile to the next climb peak point

sky-runner

@Bartek-W said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):

I used it on a hike several times and this is how I understood it worked:
zoomed out: entire elevation profile
zoom in: elevation profile up to the next waypoint
zoom in more: elevation profile to the next climb peak point

No, that isn’t how it works. Once climb guidance 2.0 mode is activated, if you have at least one waypoint on the route, there is no longer a way to zoom to the next climb peak point. Besides, that isn’t really how the original Climb guidance work either. I can explain that. Also, your next climb peak point can be further than your next waypoint if the waypoint is in the middle of the climb. So this becomes complicated and that is probably why Suunto didn’t implement it the way you suggested.

I used it enough times with multiple waypoints to understand exactly how it works. There are 4 zoom levels that are based on “segments” between waypoints:

One segment, i.e. showing the profile to the next waypoint
Two segments, i.e. showing two waypoints on the elevation profile
Three segments, i.e. showing three waypoints
The entire profile

The problem that I described in this post is that at the end of the route, when you are close to the end, it can no longer display zoom levels 2 or 3. Even if you still have ahead of you one waypoint before the end of the route, which means there are two “segments”, it can no longer switch to zoom level 2 or 3, and can only switch between zoom level 1 and 4. However the problem with the zoom level 4, even though technically it shows everything, is that it is horribly compressed if the route is long, so all details are lost and the profile becomes useless. In other words, if you look at the screenshot above, at that point the zoom level 2 can no longer be used even though it should still be possible.

I don’t even understand how this very obvious issue was allowed to go though and be released? Anyone who actually used this feature on a long route would see it right away. I noticed it the very first time I used this feature. To me, that means that either Suunto doesn’t have beta testers who are target users for this feature or perhaps that the development team has ignored their feedback.

Jan Van de Velde

@maszop fully agree on this one! One extra zoom level should be possible.

sky-runner

Also, if anyone from Suunto sees this, the way the profile is rendered makes it harder to use the feature. In my opinion, when the already covered part of the profile is rendered, the already visited waypoints should be less bright or not rendered at all because they no longer matter, but the profile line should be more visible to give a better sense of scale of where you are on the overall profile. As it is currently rendered, the already visited part of the profile is practically invisible.

Also, if possible the font for the remaining distance should be a bit larger - that is a very important data point. At the same time, the font used for the remaining climb and descent could be a bit smaller to give the profile a bit more vertical space.

fritzbt2013

@sky-runner I agree with the suggested changes, but they should put waypoint name where distance is. And put distance where time is (why is time there?)

SergioB

@fritzbt2013 agree, data fields in climb guidance screen could be improved, both in terms of which data to display and also in terms of front sizes (some are too big and others too tiny in my opinion)

sky-runner

@fritzbt2013 said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):

I agree with the suggested changes, but they should put waypoint name where distance is

Great idea about the waypoint name! The time is completely redundant on this screen!

sky-runner

I really wish to see a fix for this soon. A new season is coming with a lot of races, and having this working properly would be great!

Tieutieu

I also wish that the missing extra zoom level on current climb/descent will be back when using waypoints.
It was available before update, it’s a huge regression to me.

sky-runner

@Tieutieu I’d like to still have an option of zooming into an individual climb too even when there are waypoints. I wonder how that could be done considering that a upcoming waypoint can be either before or after the end of a climb? In other words, if this is implemented as zooming the experience may end up being inconsistent and confusing because a single climb view may not be the most zoomed in level if there is a waypoint in the middle of that climb.

Perhaps this could work as if there was a waypoint at the top of every major climb and every major descent - this might still be tricky and confusing. Or perhaps the last zoom level would be a special one and work like Climb Guidance v1 and hide waypoints. I didn’t know.
In fact, I don’t really like the old Climb Guidance v1 focusing into short ascents and descents that often end within 0.3 nile (500m), but I like using it for major climbs.

Tieutieu

@sky-runner the only missing thing ihmo is this extra zoom level when there is waypoints . In other cases climb guidance is perfect . It has been reported here many times, I guess testers among forum users have also reported it. I hope this will change in the future.