Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture)
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Also, if anyone from Suunto sees this, the way the profile is rendered makes it harder to use the feature. In my opinion, when the already covered part of the profile is rendered, the already visited waypoints should be less bright or not rendered at all because they no longer matter, but the profile line should be more visible to give a better sense of scale of where you are on the overall profile. As it is currently rendered, the already visited part of the profile is practically invisible.
Also, if possible the font for the remaining distance should be a bit larger - that is a very important data point. At the same time, the font used for the remaining climb and descent could be a bit smaller to give the profile a bit more vertical space.
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@sky-runner I agree with the suggested changes, but they should put waypoint name where distance is. And put distance where time is (why is time there?)
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@fritzbt2013 agree, data fields in climb guidance screen could be improved, both in terms of which data to display and also in terms of front sizes (some are too big and others too tiny in my opinion)
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@fritzbt2013 said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
I agree with the suggested changes, but they should put waypoint name where distance is
Great idea about the waypoint name! The time is completely redundant on this screen!
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I really wish to see a fix for this soon. A new season is coming with a lot of races, and having this working properly would be great!
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I also wish that the missing extra zoom level on current climb/descent will be back when using waypoints.
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@Tieutieu I’d like to still have an option of zooming into an individual climb too even when there are waypoints. I wonder how that could be done considering that a upcoming waypoint can be either before or after the end of a climb? In other words, if this is implemented as zooming the experience may end up being inconsistent and confusing because a single climb view may not be the most zoomed in level if there is a waypoint in the middle of that climb.
Perhaps this could work as if there was a waypoint at the top of every major climb and every major descent - this might still be tricky and confusing. Or perhaps the last zoom level would be a special one and work like Climb Guidance v1 and hide waypoints. I didn’t know.
In fact, I don’t really like the old Climb Guidance v1 focusing into short ascents and descents that often end within 0.3 nile (500m), but I like using it for major climbs. -
@sky-runner the only missing thing ihmo is this extra zoom level when there is waypoints . In other cases climb guidance is perfect . It has been reported here many times, I guess testers among forum users have also reported it. I hope this will change in the future.
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@Tieutieu said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
@sky-runner the only missing thing ihmo is this extra zoom level when there is waypoints . In other cases climb guidance is perfect
No, it is not perfect when doing a really long distance with a lot of waypoints, and that is what the above report is about. The zooming doesn’t work correctly when at the end of the route as it may not be possible to zoom in to the desired zoom level.
Imagine that you run a 100 km race and let’s say there is an aid station at 5 km before the finish and another aid station at 10 km before the finish. And let’s say there are waypoints for all aid stations. And let’s say you are just past the second from the end aid station, so basically you have 10 km to go and one more waypoint before the finish. Please see the picture at the top of the post for the illustration of what I am trying to explain.
At that point it is possible to see the entire profile for the entire 100km, but the elevation profile is so compressed horizontally that it is unusable. Also it is possible to zoom just at the 2nd from the end segment of the profile - from 10km before the finish to 5km before the finish. That is good. But it is impossible to zoom into the segment that shows the last 10 km - from 10km before the finish to the finish. Instead it goes straight into the entire 100km profile. That’s what the above report is about. A similar zoom level is available at the beginning of the route but not at the end. The logic is flawed!
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Unfortunately, this feature is still not fixed in 2.53.42.
Here is an example:
To be clear, the small white circles are waypoints.
From where I am I can switch to the zoom level 1 shown in the picture, but the zoom level 2 is not available. It was available in the first part of the run, for example showing the first climb and descent together or showing the first descent and the second run together. But it is impossible to zoom into the second climb and the second descent together - it either the entire elevation profile or just the segment to the nearest waypoint.
Imagine these waypoints to be aid stations during a 100 mile ultramarathon. At the end of the race, we loose an ability to use middle zoom levels. So it is either a single segment or the entire profile, but the entire profile showing 100 miles isn’t usable because all climbs and descents are super compressed horizontally.
Please give this fix a priority!
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But it is impossible to zoom into the second climb and the second descent together - it either the entire elevation profile or just the segment to the first waypoint.
And what happens when you add a way point to the of the route?
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@Squirrel said in Climb guidance 2.0 issue - not all zoom levels are available at the end of the route (see picture):
And what happens when you add a way point to the of the route?
I had that idea and tried that once - didn’t make any difference.
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I experienced the same with distance based zooming.
Did report it.
