Share your experience with the Suunto app here!

ColdBeer

As @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos knows, my ideas are pretty near from @Tobias-F …

SA is a “powered” version of SportsTracker, but IMHO, too far from MovesCount (web) capabilities for personalization and training analysis. And it’s naturally limited to the device where it’s installed (smartphone, as tablet changes are still not enough). So you can’t check your trainings briefly, you can’t compare between different trainings in time, your evolution, check your bests from the last year, or look for the 10k trainings during the last two years and see your performance evolution. Even when checking just one training, you still can’t zoom on the graphics, change x axis from time to distance, or overlap heart rate, altitude and pace graphs. And you could add to this problem the fact that you just could analyze your moves on a smartphone display, even a big and stable desktop computer.

On SA you could customize sport modes (just as on MC web), and don’t think you could give more power to your watch using it, you just can edit THREE screens (as you could on MC) and the third one could be a graph screen (this is the only different feature). You can’t add more screens, or change the interval screen values.

BTW, SA doesn’t sync with MC, so you need to do some tricks (that in my personal case never worked as supposed, and I lost yet a training, and MC always delete the custom sport modes made with SA) to maintain both databases. Just iPhone users could use the RunGap utility to sync both.

In the same way, SA android and SA iOS are two totally different applications, with two different developing branches… and even Suunto tries to maintain a similar look for both (one white based and the other one is black based), they have totally different bugs and problems, even with the way they communicate with the database.

I still believe (it’s my opinion) that Suunto is totally confused in the way they are developing this utility while they are not looking at the MC platform (well known and loved), even training to develop the new utility while taking care from the MC platform and maintaining both for some time (with a backdoor natural sync).

I am fairly new on Suunto App forum so I thought I’d chime in. I am a long time Suunto user. I’ve used Ambit and Ambit3 for about 6 years and Suunto 9 for about 4-5 months. I am evaluating Suunto App by syncing my data from Movescount to SportsTracker, but am not ready to switch to Suunto App as my primary platform. I am not a power Movescount user. I mainly use it to sync further to Strava, but there are a few specific use cases that I use Movescount for. The main one is analyzing race performance, comparing the same race between two different years and coming up with projected aid station splits for an upcoming race. To achieve that I switch graphs to time on on x-axis, use the zoom tool, and go through the entire track looking for specific points like aid stations and make note of my times when I stopped at each aid station and how much time I spent there. Overlaying pace and cadence (and HR if available) lets me see exactly how long I stayed at each stop. Then when I race the same course again I use those splits as a guidance and try to beat them. The same is available when looking at prior year activities from other runners, so that allows me to some planning ahead for new races. I don’t think that kind of analysis is possible with any other platform, certainly not with Strava or Suunto App. I also export runs from Movescount quite often to share them with friends or to analyze them in 3rd party tools. The last use case and important one for me is preparing routes with waypoints and uploading them to my watch. I tried creating a route in Suunto app, but that doesn’t seem to be usable for a large and complex route, and there is no elevation profile while editing a route.

I don’t know what I’d use Suunto App for. The analysis it offers doesn’t look rich enough - I can get more from Strava with Stravistix extension. I’d only use it to download data from watch and propagate it to Strava. It doesn’t currently support any of the 3 use patterns I mentioned above, so that is the reason I don’t switch.

vietpq

Suunto app should have:

All old data from Movecount
Personal Records tab
Weekly, monthly and yearly statistics (running, bike, swim… distance in a week, a month, …)
Move details should show running cadence, temperature graph
Comparison screen should can be choice any moves in the past, not only previous move

Luís Pinto

Suunto app has made important steps this year. The developers team worked well!
The problem is that the competitors in this field of mobile app are well ahead (G and P). I tested the iOS version for almost a year but my old iPhone 5s (compatible screen) just recently went dead and due to the exaggerated prices charged by Apple, I switched to Android. Applications have many differences. Something I did not like in the android version is the reversal of the pace line (faster rhythms down / slower rhythms up) on map. It is against everything that is normalized! I enjoyed the route move on the map as you move the rhythm / elevation / HR lines below. Very good! I cannot say which is better or less good.

I know that important things are missing and are urgent for 2019 (all very important, from my point of view):

Importing old Movescount records;
Best times by distance;
The two-way communication between Suunto app and Movescount in the various strands (routes, watch configuration and uploaded activities);
The import of routes in .gpx and the download of .fit or .tcx;
The division of the intervals (auto and manual) into a tab itself;
The implementation of the workout planner with support for Ambit3, Spartan, S3 and S9.

Then movescount web is very good. I think from what i read is consensual. Maybe some minor things have to change in interface, but i can’t see better. Strava is a general sport service. Even with paied suplemental stuff don’t have the quality of movescount web.

Dmytro Dashko

@Matt_from_Suunto
Hi,

Can’t see manual laps(splits) in Suunto App
Only partial configuration of sport profile can be done from SuuntoApp
Daily overview on activity: how HR was during the day, how calories were burn during day etc…
WatchFace configuration cannot be done trough the app
want to be able to see charts (HR, pace, etc) without map

Brad_Olwin

Thank you @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos and @Jouko-from-Suunto and @Matt_from_Suunto!!! My sync to Training Peaks works flawlessly. All of my power data from Stryd transfers perfectly as well as all other data. Congratulations on working on this for however long it has taken. I have now disconnected myself from MC but will be completely satisfied when planned moves are available in SA. Happy SA user here and kudos to you as well as the development team on a job well done!

@Brad_Olwin I will not get tired of pointing out that you are a paying user of TP. TP functionality as a free app is severely limited.
Not minimising the achievement, it just feels of marginal value to most of us.
Enjoy TP

Mff73

@Yannis-Belouris
I agree but i don’t want to debate here

Shrek3k

@Yannis-Belouris said in Share your experience with the Suunto app here!:

@Brad_Olwin I will not get tired of pointing out that you are a paying user of TP. TP functionality as a free app is severely limited.
Not minimising the achievement, it just feels of marginal value to most of us.
Enjoy TP

Exactly

jsuarez

Same feeling here (no intention to pay TP subscription as I bought a watch that at the time included a decent analysis platform -MC web-).

@jsuarez someone will pay for this functionality. Either suunto with development time or prospective customers

Dmytro Dashko

@Yannis-Belouris but suunto have already had robust training platform Movescount. And we have no insights why it was replaced by old less functional SportsTracker

Dušan Ković

I have to give praises to SA dev team, in the recent beta versions I have really positive experience with SA and S9. I have tracking, routes and sport modes customization. I think the app goes in the right directions, a bit slow, but I hope that it will only be better in the future. Right now I find that it covers all my basic needs. I ditched the MC completely.

What I am missing still:

24/7 Hearth rate tracking, graphs, etc
some kind of SA web interface with exercise analytics, also with an ability to plan routes, exercises, etc
A bit better route planing - if I want to change points that I placed in the beginning of the route, I cannot edit them. Editing routes should be added (maybe it exists but I haven’t found it)
ability to change watch settings through app
VO2Max (my wife’s SF3 has it, just port it to S9) and more similar statistics that will show user progress through exercise
User weight in SA, with graph or goals… I know S9 is not a fitness watch, but this would be nice addition
Watch is collecting a lot of data, use it to improve user experience

Tried out TP and Strava integrations… For free users they are almost useless, just a exercise viewer… I can see almost all the same data in the SA itself. I don’t plan to pay either TP or Strava…

At the end, nice progress in the development, hope to see great stuff in future. As time passes I’m more and more satisfied with watch and app, when I bought it in September 2018 it was chaotic, but things are getting better.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Dušan-Ković thank you from all. This stikes to the heart!

Brad_Olwin

@Yannis-Belouris said in Share your experience with the Suunto app here!:

@Brad_Olwin I will not get tired of pointing out that you are a paying user of TP. TP functionality as a free app is severely limited.
Not minimising the achievement, it just feels of marginal value to most of us.
Enjoy TP

I am happy to debate this…As you hopefully are well aware, I am an avid MC web user. I posted training plans very early on for ultras that are on the first or second page of training plans due to their popularity. I have 17 pages of routes and over 4000 moves uploaded. So I feel I can speak from experience using the site. I have used Training Peaks before MC web was introduced and am very familiar with TP as well. So here goes:

MC is great for storing and summarizing moves, also for comparisons, I like it a lot for that.
Training plans, planned moves, etc. are cumbersome and difficult in MC, there is no good way to specify workout intensities and no way to build structured workouts. Long term stress analysis is nonexsitent.
TP is superior to MC for stress analysis, for training and for training plans. It is also superior for self-coaching, which I did for a long time. I have used TP with and without a premium membership. I find both more valuable for planning training than MC Web. I always transferred my training from TP to MC web.
Really…$10 US per month is two cups of fancy coffee. Anybody that can afford a premium Suunto watch can afford to spend a small amount of money for the service that provides far more than MC ever did or could.
Since Suunto is putting the effort into designing TP Plans it seems obvious that the API for SA will be developed to allow download of planned exercises. I also would not be surprised if this is one way to implement structured workouts.

So yes, I am enthusiastic as TP is one of the best if not the best place to plan training for athletes. Are all of you complaining because of principle? I don’t think that MC would have ever been developed to provide what TP offers.

Finally, there are other great programs out there to track stress better than MC (IMHO). Fairly easy to use those now. I expect that SA will achieve similar viewing functionality on par with MC and feature-wise will be similar but I am happy to see Suunto support third parties in a deeper relationship than before. It should be better for all of us.

Brad_Olwin

@Shrek3k said in Share your experience with the Suunto app here!:

@Yannis-Belouris said in Share your experience with the Suunto app here!:

@Brad_Olwin I will not get tired of pointing out that you are a paying user of TP. TP functionality as a free app is severely limited.
Not minimising the achievement, it just feels of marginal value to most of us.
Enjoy TP

Exactly

And I won’t tire of the debate either…Suunto does not have the resources to develop the best Training/Planning/Storage web site. That ought to be obvious. Why not pair the best hardware with the best cloudware???

suzzlo

@Brad_Olwin said in Share your experience with the Suunto app here!:

Suunto does not have the resources to develop the best Training/Planning/Storage web site. That ought to be obvious. Why not pair the best hardware with the best cloudware???

Totally agree. I’m not happy paying TP, but I will pay if I can plan my hole season, complex workouts, analyze my results, configure my zones,…

Actually, I prefer to have this solution, although it is by paid TP (or any other like finalsurge) than not having them.

Let’s see what happens with next releases.

BR

cjlydon

I am returning to Suunto after two years using an iWatch Series 2. I had an Ambit 2 beforehand. I have kept logging all my moves on Movescount though via RunGap. I like the Suunto App - it is what you would expect a Premium watch should come with, however there are features missing, I would expect to be able to configure the settings such as GPS via the app rather than the watch and also be able to change as many options that were available via Movescount web. What I really miss from Movescount though is the summary of the last 30 days - I know there are graphs, but knowing that I had done ‘x’ hours in 30 days worked for me…also I am really confused on two things - can I still sync to Movescount web once I have used the SA to configure the watch (I planned a route using SA)? A notification in the SA seems to imply that I can’t. If this is the case then how do I upload a route using a gpx file or other format via SA, if this even possible? That’s the second thing I’m confused on… I am on iOS and have tried to download a gpx and then share it as I read on another thread that you could do that, but not had any luck. If this is not an option then gpx upload is a MUST for SA development

sartoric

@cjlydon
If you search the forum you’ll find all the answers to your questions.

… gpx import is not yet available for iOs version

cjlydon

@sartoric Thanks for the reply for confirming that gpx upload isn’t yet available on iOS. As I saind in my original this is a must for the app for future development. I’m not sure I understand what I am searching the forum for though, I thought this was a post to share your experience with the Suunto App?..