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    • Jan SuchánekJ Offline
      Jan Suchánek @Gabriel Rodríguez
      last edited by Jan Suchánek

      @Gabriel-Rodríguez
      Even if it was downhill (it´s almost flat), my effort surely didn´t go down, because for me, it was running fast at very high HR which I can´t stand for longer time… I´ll see next runs. Overall I´m satisfied with Zone sense.

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      • Gabriel RodríguezG Offline
        Gabriel Rodríguez @Jan Suchánek
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        @Jan-Suchánek your mileage may vary of course, but this is something I see myself in my runs if the descent is sufficiently steep, and also depending on how technical it becomes (i.e., how much I am willing to trade off speed vs structural integrity of my teeth). I find that during very steep and/or technical descents I am never limited by effort, even if I try to keep it up.

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        • Gabriel RodríguezG Offline
          Gabriel Rodríguez @Jan Suchánek
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          @Jan-Suchánek I took a second look at your plot, and I think that the increase in pace is indeed correlated with an increase in ZS, just a couple minutes later? I mean, if you allow for ZS to have a “two squares” delay in the time axis, doesn’t it fit what you would expect?

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          • Jan SuchánekJ Offline
            Jan Suchánek @Gabriel Rodríguez
            last edited by

            @Gabriel-Rodríguez
            It could be like You said.

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            • Mff73M Offline
              Mff73 @Jan Suchánek
              last edited by

              @Jan-Suchánek
              I also looked at your graph, and noticed a relative slow down in pace before this downhill and it high pace one.
              Thus, to me, it may explain ZS fall down as ZS seems to behave very quick to slowing efforts, and then took more time to “see” or display the hard new effort (needs time to re-accumulate while needs less time to recover = your are fit 😂).
              Hey, just own feeling, but I also admit it is not easy to handle in real time, it is like a new way of thinking metric)

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                2b2bff
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                Today I used ZoneSense in a 10km race and it helped me push further that I did before.

                It was the first time I used ZoneSense in a race. The run started quite fast and after the first few km my HR was quite high, so I thought about getting a bit slower to not get too exhausted too soon. With those thoughts I switched to the ZS screen and it was in the greens. So I kept pushing…

                I finished with my fastest 10k ever. 🙂

                Would have been a perfect story, if my Race S would have kept recording the complete race. At about 8.5km I looked at the watch and the Vertical Week watch face looked back… 😞
                So I started another run activity and now have two FIT files with about 90 seconds data missing… I wonder how I merge these and fill the gap…

                Suunto Race S
                Garmin Epix Pro

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                • AudaxjoeA Offline
                  Audaxjoe @2b2bff
                  last edited by

                  @2b2bff excellent news with the time. Try GPX editor to merge them. I normally use Garmin Basecamp to join files, but not sure if that is still about.

                  Suunto Vertical
                  Suunto 9 BARO
                  Garmin Fenix 3, 5
                  Suunto Vector

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                    2b2bff @Audaxjoe
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                    @Audaxjoe Thanks. The tools I tried, yet struggle with the gap in between. You would have thought that this is easy to fill with averages… Will take a look at Basecamp…

                    Suunto Race S
                    Garmin Epix Pro

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                    • VoiGASV Offline
                      VoiGAS Silver Members
                      last edited by

                      Tried Zonesense again today. It showed yellow during the warmup (blue zone) then lowest green during the more intense uphills. This time with a new belt, proper warmup and no short intervalls.
                      Also the anaerobic threshold doesn’t seem realistic to me.
                      Maybe it doesn’t work for everyone, no idea what to try else. I don’t need it as power and heartrate are sufficient for my training - but still I would very much like it to work


                      Race S
                      Ambit3 Vertical

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                        halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                        @VoiGAS have you tried Runalyze to check R-R data for this run? You can also check DDFA index over time or as function of HR.

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                        • SamuelPS Offline
                          SamuelP Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                          @VoiGAS have you done “calibration” runs?
                          I noticed a huge improvement with zonesense when i did 3 super easy 30-45 min runs under aerobic threshold.

                          After doing this my app and watch shows the same time spent in green yellow and red. Before those runs the data between watch and app was way off.

                          I did those runs after watching suuntos videos about zonesense. He explained to do a few low intensity runs to calibrate the watch. 😊

                          Worked for me🥳

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                          • VoiGASV Offline
                            VoiGAS Silver Members @halajos
                            last edited by

                            @halajos data in Runalyze looks pretty good - just the first 10 minutes are a mess…


                            Race S
                            Ambit3 Vertical

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                            • VoiGASV Offline
                              VoiGAS Silver Members @SamuelP
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                              @Samuel-Pirttikangas interesting, I will try with the next recovery runs


                              Race S
                              Ambit3 Vertical

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                                halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
                                last edited by halajos

                                @VoiGAS if the R-R data in first 10 minutes is bad, then it messes up ZoneSense calibration. Does the R-R data continue to be bad if you continue to run with the same pace as during warmup? Does the R-R plot become better if you increase effort? Might that indicate some kind of arythmia? Do you wet the HR strap before putting on? Do you use the Suunto smart sensor? You might try a Polar H10, is known for reliable measurements.

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                                • VoiGASV Offline
                                  VoiGAS Silver Members @halajos
                                  last edited by VoiGAS

                                  @halajos After 10 minutes the data gets better all the time - like magic. Suunto Smart belt, I always wetten it. But you could be right, I thought the bad data is the reason Suunto skips the first 10 minutes…
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                                  Race S
                                  Ambit3 Vertical

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                                    halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
                                    last edited by

                                    @VoiGAS no, ZoneSense uses the first 10 minutes (should be low effort) to calibrate your baseline, that’s why it’s excluded.

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                                    • Mitch9M Offline
                                      Mitch9
                                      last edited by

                                      My graph looks like this:

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                                      If the anomalies are more than 1 %, something is really wrong in my opinion (low battery, old belt…).

                                      Watch: Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar (Sand)
                                      SA: Android (beta)
                                      HRS: Polar H10

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                                      • VoiGASV Offline
                                        VoiGAS Silver Members @Mitch9
                                        last edited by VoiGAS

                                        @Mitch9 Oh, that looks different! My battery is at about 20% - is this already to low?
                                        Belt is brandnew - bought it extra for Zonesense…


                                        Race S
                                        Ambit3 Vertical

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                                        • GhostG Offline
                                          Ghost
                                          last edited by

                                          I just realized that the ZoneSense app was updated on March 20th. Just a heads-up.

                                          🔺 Vertical Titanium Solar

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                                          • VoiGASV Offline
                                            VoiGAS Silver Members @Ghost
                                            last edited by

                                            @Ghost New version for everyone and a new battery for me 😀. Lets give it another try


                                            Race S
                                            Ambit3 Vertical

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