Suunto ZoneSense
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I extracted a stream CSV file from intervals.icu for that activity above, and asked ChatGPT to detect my AeT using methods such as DFA-⍺1 or DDFA, and here’s the response:
“Based on the DFA-⍺1 analysis of this new file, the estimated aerobic threshold heart rate is approximately 146 bpm. The detailed analysis is available in the displayed data table.”
That looks like an accurate value for me and for my fitness state on that day
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@Francesco-Pagano Really? This works? Did you also get a value from Zonesense you can compare it with?
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@VoiGAS As you can see from my previous post, SA shows a detected threshold at 160 bpm. I wish this was true!
I know that DFA-alfa1 method has limitations, but it’s fun to explore, and if you repeat the same exercise for multiple activities you get similar results. For today, for instance, chatGPT returned 142 bpm which I find accurate considering I’m a bit sick. -
@Francesco-Pagano I’m confused, so, ZoneSense gave you a (very) bad estimation ?
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@Elipsus For that specific run I think so. 160 bpm is too high for me. When the estimation is displayed on my activities, ZS usually gives me between 140 - 148 bpm, sometimes less.
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Found a tiny ZS bug today. When you combine a structured workout with ZS, there’s a little incompatibility.
To describe, usually with ZS you can toggle one of four screens to see, three semi customisable and the default how long in each zone in total screen. I was doing a structured workout from intervals.icu, and I noticed that it seems like intervals reset your choice of ZS screen to the default.
For example, I’d set ZS to my first screen of choice, then an interval occured, I went back and it was the default. As this happened twice today, I assume it’s not me being insane. Steps to replicate should be fairly simple, just requires some kind of imported structured workout forcing laps and ZS in concurrent use. I sent logs and all if anyone fancies looking at 14:12 CET.
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@The_77 That’s certainly an odd one. I’ve been using structured workouts from TrainAsOne with ZoneSense for months now without issue and I’ve customised the rotation of info on the ZS app. The only annoyance I found was that step alerts caused the ZS app to return to the first ‘screen’ of data but I noticed on Sunday that didn’t seem to happen so maybe even that’s fixed.
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@far-blue exactly that same issue. I could always uninstall/reinstall the app if it has been fixed, but ZS has no update since December.
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Today I got strange drop of ZS value while speeding up for two minutes. I’ll expect opposite direction even with delay…
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@Jan-Suchánek you started running downhill. It’s not surprising that your pace increases and the effort decreases. I always like going downhill, somehow it feels like going South.
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@Gabriel-Rodríguez said in Suunto ZoneSense:
I always like going downhill, somehow it feels like going South.
There speaks a LOTR fan
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@Gabriel-Rodríguez
Even if it was downhill (it´s almost flat), my effort surely didn´t go down, because for me, it was running fast at very high HR which I can´t stand for longer time… I´ll see next runs. Overall I´m satisfied with Zone sense. -
@Jan-Suchánek your mileage may vary of course, but this is something I see myself in my runs if the descent is sufficiently steep, and also depending on how technical it becomes (i.e., how much I am willing to trade off speed vs structural integrity of my teeth). I find that during very steep and/or technical descents I am never limited by effort, even if I try to keep it up.
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@Jan-Suchánek I took a second look at your plot, and I think that the increase in pace is indeed correlated with an increase in ZS, just a couple minutes later? I mean, if you allow for ZS to have a “two squares” delay in the time axis, doesn’t it fit what you would expect?
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@Gabriel-Rodríguez
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@Jan-Suchánek
I also looked at your graph, and noticed a relative slow down in pace before this downhill and it high pace one.
Thus, to me, it may explain ZS fall down as ZS seems to behave very quick to slowing efforts, and then took more time to “see” or display the hard new effort (needs time to re-accumulate while needs less time to recover = your are fit
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Hey, just own feeling, but I also admit it is not easy to handle in real time, it is like a new way of thinking metric) -
Today I used ZoneSense in a 10km race and it helped me push further that I did before.
It was the first time I used ZoneSense in a race. The run started quite fast and after the first few km my HR was quite high, so I thought about getting a bit slower to not get too exhausted too soon. With those thoughts I switched to the ZS screen and it was in the greens. So I kept pushing…
I finished with my fastest 10k ever.
Would have been a perfect story, if my Race S would have kept recording the complete race. At about 8.5km I looked at the watch and the Vertical Week watch face looked back…
So I started another run activity and now have two FIT files with about 90 seconds data missing… I wonder how I merge these and fill the gap… -
@2b2bff excellent news with the time. Try GPX editor to merge them. I normally use Garmin Basecamp to join files, but not sure if that is still about.
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@Audaxjoe Thanks. The tools I tried, yet struggle with the gap in between. You would have thought that this is easy to fill with averages… Will take a look at Basecamp…
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Tried Zonesense again today. It showed yellow during the warmup (blue zone) then lowest green during the more intense uphills. This time with a new belt, proper warmup and no short intervalls.
Also the anaerobic threshold doesn’t seem realistic to me.
Maybe it doesn’t work for everyone, no idea what to try else. I don’t need it as power and heartrate are sufficient for my training - but still I would very much like it to work
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