Suunto ZoneSense
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@thanasis Interesting, I had one SuuntoGuide running parallel. Will try without it.
Post workout data looked ok, so I think its not the belts fault
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@VoiGAS after training you are right. But not while training it is real.
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@VoiGAS I use ZoneSense with a Guide same time. No issues…
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@2b2bff In your case the graph shows all the time realistic values?
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@Sportsfreund TBH I don’t look too much on the time spent in different zones on the watch, rather in what zone I am currently.
Today I tried to stay in the green zone and had occational yellow on the watch. Looks similar in the App: 86% green, 14% yellow.
I never had a “waiting for data”. But I only started using ZoneSense a week ago, as I didn’t have a chest strap before…
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I agree; my watch data is never the same as the app data. I intuitively believe the APP data, not the real-time watch data. But I have lots of post-work analysis tools. The value proposition for Zonesense is the real-time data. It’s not there yet.
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@VoiGAS said in Suunto ZoneSense:
@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto ZoneSense:
I have been using and testing ZS since last May/June. Is that long term enough?
Absolutly. How reliable are your live values on the watch? Can you use it to pace an ultra from the start or does it need more time to “swing in”? Not to mention the first 10 Minutes, its clear that it shows nothing
I used it pretty much exclusively to pace my first 100 miler in October. It worked darn near to perfection as my goal was to stay green the entire time (I am firmly mid to back of pack runner).
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@stromdiddily so if you are suggesting that the app aligns with ten real time data you were shown on the app it may be that zonesense is aligned in real longer distances(??) . I am not there and I am running shorter ones .
In my case I have significantly different values between the watch and the app. I mean that in the watch I may have 15% of the time being on vo2max and the app to show 0% -
@Stephen-Kenny @Sportsfreund
I used today’s run to look a bit closer. The watch said about 08:30 in yellow. The App on my iPhone says 10:00 yellow and interestingly the App on my iPad says 13:00 in yellow.But Suunto emphasizes in their videos that it is still early days, and they are going to improve it.
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@thanasis said in Suunto ZoneSense:
@stromdiddily so if you are suggesting that the app aligns with ten real time data you were shown on the app it may be that zonesense is aligned in real longer distances(??) . I am not there and I am running shorter ones .
In my case I have significantly different values between the watch and the app. I mean that in the watch I may have 15% of the time being on vo2max and the app to show 0%How long have you been using it? There is allegedly some calibration with each run used to make the real time data a bit smarter.
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@stromdiddily said in Suunto ZoneSense:
@thanasis said in Suunto ZoneSense:
@stromdiddily so if you are suggesting that the app aligns with ten real time data you were shown on the app it may be that zonesense is aligned in real longer distances(??) . I am not there and I am running shorter ones .
In my case I have significantly different values between the watch and the app. I mean that in the watch I may have 15% of the time being on vo2max and the app to show 0%How long have you been using it? There is allegedly some calibration with each run used to make the real time data a bit smarter.
I am mostly running with an HR belt so I would say that I m using since it was announced .
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Hi there!
Can you confirm for zonesense to properly work, you first need to put in some (how many?) workouts or minutes (which of both?) at each of the 5 zones? And basically ignore zonesense during this calbration workout(s)?
I’m asking as today I was running a 10k (probably my 3 workout with a HR belt and zonesense enabled) and wanted to do it in zone 2, but (almost) regardless of what HR I ran at, the DDFA-index stayed green:
On the other hand, it seems that zonesense was able to calculated my aet correctly, still:
This is a bit confusing to me. Any help is much appreciated, thanks!
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@tschogo Theoretically you should always do the first 10 minutes easy, to do a proper calibration on each run. To have a good starting data in general, the first 3/4 runs with ZS, the whole run, should be very easy, but eventually everything will align if you do not do that.
In case of a race, you have two options:
1.- Do an easy warm up for more than 10 minutes and stop the activity, then do the race. ZS will use the warm up as a base.
2.- Only record the race, here ZS will use the last good calibration, from your previous runs/activities.On each option the 10 first minutes will be discarded, option 1 should be more realistic because uses the base of the race day.
Regarding your 10 km, I understand that you wanted to do it in ZS zone 2 (yellow), I do not you as a runner and your paces, but from what I see it was a slow pace (1:20 for 10 km), so you should push a little bit more to enter in yellow. If we get used at some easy paces some times it is difficult go over this paces and we must also train these quick/effort paces, like starting doing short fast intervals or longer and progressive intervals with short rest times.
BTW do not try to match ZS and HR.
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@cosme-costa But with Option1 you get a mix of warmup and Race Data. Would it be possible to switch from warmup to running with a multisport mode? Or would it start collecting data again after switching,
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@VoiGAS Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, you have to stop and save the warm up. I guess a multisport should do too but as far as I know ZS distinguish among sports, so not the same values for biking than for running, I do not know if between running and trail running it consider them different sports.
I’m not an expert but I have read a lot here and in the Spanish forum where all these things has been commented, and also my own experience.
In the Spanish forum there is more information than here with some doctors explaining cases of use of ZS that are very interesting.
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@cosme-costa said in Suunto ZoneSense:
In the Spanish forum there is more information than here with some doctors explaining cases of use of ZS that are very interesting.
It would be great to have an english translation of that here
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@halajos Yes indeed!
Check the YouTube channel of Luis del Aguila, he is a sport Dr. that uses ZS, you can use the automatic subtitles.
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@cosme-costa Thanks a lot for your insights!
However, to me the meaning of this sentence is unclear: “To have a good starting data in general, the first 3/4 runs with ZS, the whole run, should be very easy, but eventually everything will align if you do not do that.”. Would you mind rephrasing?
Additionally, why do you state that one shouldn’t try to match ZS and HR? I’m under the impression that this is exactly what Suunto is doing in the second screenshot I provided (even suggesting to change your HR zones based on ZS data). I fully got the idea, that on one day my aerob threshold could be at 140 bpm, the next day it could be at 150 bpm (due to fatigue, stress, sleep quality, etc). However, comparing HR and ZS still makes a lot of sense to me.
And finally, green is Z1&2, not yellow. So when trying to stay in Z2, I need to be within green, do you agree? And as you identified correctly, it was a slow pace. However, in reality, me trying to do a Z2 endurance training run, I would most likely had to run even slower (at a HR of around 140, maybe 150), not faster;). You see, I‘m only starting to run, haha
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@halajos use the EDGE Browser. It translates all websites in language you are set.
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@cosme-costa said in Suunto ZoneSense:
@VoiGAS Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, you have to stop and save the warm up. I guess a multisport should do too but as far as I know ZS distinguish among sports, so not the same values for biking than for running, I do not know if between running and trail running it consider them different sports.
Thank you, I’ll try it that way!
