Suunto ZoneSense

Christoph13

Regarding the real-time use:
I am in my tapering phase for a race in about a week’s time. I will probably race by feel but what should the ZoneSense display during a half marathon if I manage to push myself just hard enough? What would I gain compared to say following a combination of pace/HR or Stryd Power?

Also, I have done the last five runs or so with my Polar H10 HR belt, and the zones appear to match exactly the ones I calculated based on the last race results (except one that is so far off to be untrustworthy).
What kind of training session would help to make ZoneSense more accurate in the time remaining?
Thanks

gone troppo

@Christoph13 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

To everyone not finding the ZoneSense data in the Suunto App on their iPhones despite seeing the ZoneSense App during the run on the watch:
You probably do not have the most up to date iOS app even though you do not see any update offered.

To remedy:
Don’t rely on automatic updates to all your iPhone apps, it does not work (in this case).
Go the the App Store on your iPhone
Search for Suunto App (it probably says “Open” but don’t click there)
Click on the title “Suunto App”, so the page displays that lets you explore the marketing blurb. Here it most likely will offer you a button saying “update”.

Clicking this is what helped me. Now I can choose the Zone DDA values in my recorded runs.

Thank you thank you, you my friend are genius. For people like me who are not so tech savvy explaining it in detail like this was so helpful and worked I now have zone sense on my app thank you

Ze Stuart

@althaea35 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@the_ultraman Found a comment on Facebook from Janne Kallio

Note, there has been some weird / different behaviour on real time measurement vs afger analysis in few specifc scenarios, there will be upcoming mobile update which will fix this. There was a bug that awas left on release, but will be fixed soonish."

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/tAAGoDRCb2PJ96Mf/?mibextid=oFDknk

This produced error: NaN when I read it, expected: date, received: vague words.

@Raimo-Järvi I believe you are a deity of S+, do you have a date you can share for the fix?

taziden

@halajos said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@taziden have you had something like this in my post here? https://forum.suunto.com/topic/11713/race-misbehaving-in-multiple-ways

Yes, also using Ultra Walking S+app

Christoph13

@gone-troppo Haha, great, I had hoped you would read it as I got stuck exactly like you. No idea why the Suunto App would not be flagged as updatable even when searching for it specifically in the App Store, this caught me (us) by surprise. Glad to hear that it worked for you.

Danny poleg

I couldn’t find the topic that’s why I’m asking
In the RACE watch, I activate structured training and also activate ZONESENS, but when I press “start”, the ZONESENS option does not appear. I checked the training options and in a strange way the ZONESENS was off. I turned it on and still the same problem
The watch was reset and it didn’t help - I’d appreciate your help
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
@isazi

Christoph13

@Danny-poleg There appears to be a maximum number of Suunto+ Apps and Suunto Guides that can be active at any one time. If you cannot activate ZoneSense, it helps to deactivate one S+ app or one Suunto guide and try again.

stromdiddily

@Christoph13 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

Regarding the real-time use:
I am in my tapering phase for a race in about a week’s time. I will probably race by feel but what should the ZoneSense display during a half marathon if I manage to push myself just hard enough? What would I gain compared to say following a combination of pace/HR or Stryd Power?

Also, I have done the last five runs or so with my Polar H10 HR belt, and the zones appear to match exactly the ones I calculated based on the last race results (except one that is so far off to be untrustworthy).
What kind of training session would help to make ZoneSense more accurate in the time remaining?
Thanks

I would imagine you’re going to see a good amount of time in aerobic slowly progressing into anearobic and eventually v02 max if you finish hard

The main benefit I suppose would be to maintain whatever zone you’re trying to stay in while leaving room for a strongly pushed finish.

Christoph13

@stromdiddily Thanks. I am always weary of relying on a metric that I have insufficient experience with.
When you are racing, you want to be close to the special mark on your personal fitness scale on that day, but on the correct side. Looking at the handful of runs with Zone DDA data, it looks like I will be racing mostly in the yellow zone (in ZoneSense it is called anaerobic but I suspect what it means is that it is no longer fully aerobic, which is fine).
For the race this probably means to progress mainly through the yellow zone with some excursion into the red during the finish, however long that may be.

BTW, I am seeing some of the weird behaviour reported by others, too, i.e. pace or heart rate go up, ZoneDDA becomes more aerobic,…

I’ll see how the half marathon goes and then take a look at the data again.

Richard Thygesen

Totally unusable for me!

larrybbaker

@sartoric I would think not? the app is on the watch

sartoric

@larrybbaker
The S+ app is used to have real time data while recording the activity

Iggge

This is function is really good. Have now used Suuntosense 4 times and have nothing to complain.
But i don’t think this is for me since I always get the same results, even if I feel good or tired and therefore don’t see the point of using it right now

Mauerwegler

@TyreseJ4 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@Mauerwegler Link?

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6836/firmware-collection

Haven’t done this myself, but you have to download the version you want and then drag‘n‘drop the file on the Suuntolink software on your computer.

Stefan Kersting

@TrailEyes very nice article

Stefan Kersting

I would appreciate if one of you guys could help me interpreting my ZoneSense data. BTW a very interesting feature I want to understand more.

The first screenshot is from a spinning activity. 20 minutes warm up before weight lifting and I felt that I did an ordinary effort. Not to hard.
The second screenshot is from a spinning activity of 50 minutes with three intervals. I did an hard effort but it wasn’t a maximum effort. When I see the aerobic threshold here it is 152 bpm, actually the max of my zone 4. what does that mean? Have I to adjust my zones now?

@Antoine said in Suunto ZoneSense:

So it is only with HR belt, it does not work with optical sensor on the watch ?

It should work with the Scosche Rhythm24 OHR, as long as you set it to measure HRV.

Tieutieu

@Stefan-Kersting I have been wondering the same after my first run. Z2/Z3 limit proposed by zonesens is far lower in my case than the level i have in HR zones.
My thoughts so far : I won’t change my HR zone and see in next weeks months how zonesens will evolve. If have understood well it should need time for the algo to calibrate. And whatever it says, it is supposed to take more consideration of health condition. So when hill it should always propose different HR values than those set in SA.
So my final point is : my HR zone are probably “well set” when I’m fit and healthy. Zonesens should bring in time more indications about my real capacities of the day.

enriqueescoms

My 33% “good experience” with ZONESENSE.

(Suunto 9PP + PolarH10 heart belt / IOS App v2.38)

The last few days I have tried Zonesense three times with the following performance results:

Mountain bike. No route tracking. WATCH FAIL (*) / APP OK
Mountain bike. With route tracking. WATCH OK / APP OK
Trail running. With route tracking. WATCH OK / APP FAIL (**)

(*) On the watch, the zone sense screen only indicated zone 1, regardless of heart rate or effort level, without the zone gauge moving. Later, however, in the app, the different zones were identified with colors and the thresholds were marked, etc.

(**) On the watch, everything worked perfectly, as expected from the Suunto+, indicating the times in each zone, the gauge indicating the appropriate section, etc. But then nothing appeared in the app, as if nothing had been registered.

Anyway, a promising feature that hasn’t worked consistently for me yet. I’ll keep trying over the next few days.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@enriqueescoms said in Suunto ZoneSense:

(*) On the watch, the zone sense screen only indicated zone 1, regardless of heart rate or effort level, without the zone gauge moving. Later, however, in the app, the different zones were identified with colors and the thresholds were marked, etc.

I’ve seen it too - however, zones switched as expected, only the gauge didn’t move. I think it was after unpausing the watch?