Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@isazi is it mineral glass or plastic? How about readability compared to original S5?

isazi

@łukasz-szmigiel I do not have an S5 to compare with, although @Brad_Olwin should have one. I can compare only to the S9 family, and the S5P is (in a way) more readable because sapphire screens tend to have more reflection. As for the material, I have no way to know. If Suunto says it is plastic, than it must be plastic.

And, in my opinion, this is not a replacement for users that are already happy with their S5 today. However, at the same time I do not expect the S5 to still receive much updates 3 years from now.

surfboomerang

@isazi said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

However, at the same time I do not expect the S5 to still receive much updates 3 years from now

Because of hardware limitations? The whole S5/9 series are pretty much alligned in software now, right?

Shrek3k

I have to admit, that the 5P would nicely fulfil all my current requirements. At the same time not all my wishes for capabilities would be covered, capabilities that I would most likely not even use. So, in case I would need an immediate and sensible replacement for my S9 Non-Baro it should be the S5.
As I am not too sensible and don’t need a replacement now, I nevertheless won’t buy it, but will recommend it to a number of guys.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@surfboomerang I’d say to avoid cannibalising sales of S5P.

isazi

@surfboomerang said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

Because of hardware limitations? The whole S5/9 series are pretty much alligned in software now, right?

This is just my opinion, and I can share it because I know nothing of Suunto’s strategy. If I knew something, I would not share.
Hardware limitations are a part of it, but economics is the other. You do not make money by directly [1] supporting watches that are not for sale anymore, and it makes little economic sense to give new features for free indefinitely and to everyone.

[1] there may be some secondary effects on users retention, but today you cannot bet on that.

TyreseJ4

Is this a rumor or can anyone confirm that complex intervals and workouts are coming to the Suunto 9?

surfboomerang

@tyresej4 Time will tell…

isazi

@tyresej4 it is a rumor so far. However looking around the forum seems that some companies announced some way of sending workouts to Suunto watches in 2022. They may know more (or they would have not announced that, I guess).

jsuarez

@isazi said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@surfboomerang said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

Because of hardware limitations? The whole S5/9 series are pretty much alligned in software now, right?

This is just my opinion, and I can share it because I know nothing of Suunto’s strategy. If I knew something, I would not share.
Hardware limitations are a part of it, but economics is the other. You do not make money by directly [1] supporting watches that are not for sale anymore, and it makes little economic sense to give new features for free indefinitely and to everyone.

[1] there may be some secondary effects on users retention, but today you cannot bet on that.

That’s what has already happened with the Spartan series: no suunto plus and other goodies. Who knows if there are real hardware limitations or lack of interest.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@jsuarez it doesn’t make sense to ~~support~~ enhance a device for a long time if it doesn’t provide a stable income. There’s no ecosystem of apps / devices that rely on devices (see Apple or Google) or a subscription service (ie. after two years pay-per-update or pay-per-feature).

I’m still impressed that S5 got so many updates with new features, but also the Suunto’s portfolio (in relation to latest devices) is small compared to i.e. Garmin, so it makes sense to support devices longer.

@tyresej4 said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

Is this a rumor or can anyone confirm that complex intervals and workouts are coming to the Suunto 9?

There were some emails around saying that they will come this year through Nolio.
Let’s see…no communication from suunto…

Brad_Olwin

@łukasz-szmigiel said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@isazi is it mineral glass or plastic? How about readability compared to original S5?

I have not scratched the S5P screen but I typically don’t scratch my watch screens. The S5P IMHO is much easier to read than the old 5.

Brad_Olwin

@shrek3k The S9nonbaro has a compass but the S5Peak does not. Therefore your watch has FusedTrack but the S5P does not. If you use extended GPS modes you will have better tracks with the 9nonbaro than the S5P.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@brad_olwin said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

(…) If you use extended GPS modes you will have better tracks with the 9nonbaro than the S5P.

While running or trail running only. Apart from those two modes, FusedTrack won’t kick in.

And you won’t see my favourite notification stealing the focus on the navigation screen. Because there’s a compass, apparently.

MiniForklift

@chrisa said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

Besides Suunto I prefer Polar - the Grit X Pro seems really nice but also comes with a 500€ Price tag…

I bought the Grit X Pro recently and tried to do an unbiased and comprehensive review of how it fared against the S9B:

S9B Vs Polar Grit X Pro

It’s great in some aspects but I’d definitely urge you to check it out and try before you buy

ChrisA

@miniforklift thanks - read it, great informations thanks! Mentioning it was more as a hint for @Tomas5 who was looking for a watch, which I think the GXP could be a match (at least better than a Garmin).

tomkys

@tomas5 All points totally valid. I see it very same way (I’m Suunto 5 user as well). This watch is just not upgrade for current S5 users. It should be called Suunto 3 paek or at least Suunto 5 light. When I saw name Suunto 5 PEAK I was really excited and expected to see more expensive Suunto 5 with compass and baro…and there is none of that…not even that compass which was basic feature in all Ambits. Just plastic instead of glass…great. I do not know why Suunto has such a problem to introduce any compact mid watch with barometer?! For me barometer is just not a reason why I would buy 3x more expensive Suunto 9 Peak…there should be something in between.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

So I’ve been watching this.

And it occurred to me: Isn’t it funny that there’s no compass in S5 line of watches when Suunto likes to emphasize its compass lineage?

@tomkys said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@tomas5 All points totally valid. I see it very same way (I’m Suunto 5 user as well). This watch is just not upgrade for current S5 users. It should be called Suunto 3 paek or at least Suunto 5 light. When I saw name Suunto 5 PEAK I was really excited and expected to see more expensive Suunto 5 with compass and baro…and there is none of that…not even that compass which was basic feature in all Ambits. Just plastic instead of glass…great. I do not know why Suunto has such a problem to introduce any compact mid watch with barometer?! For me barometer is just not a reason why I would buy 3x more expensive Suunto 9 Peak…there should be something in between.

Maybe to be positioned between the FR245 (non baro, plastic) and the 645 (baro,metal).
Maybe it is not a reason for you to buy 3x more expensive suunto 9 peak. But I would say for a lot of people it would be a reason to not upgrade to the S9P.