Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021

Fenr1r

@leohendrix said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

I wonder what have technically changed behind that led to this.

Have a look at this from @margusl and, perhaps @pavel-samokha has separate insight. EOL for both MC & Surface might’ve seemed near-enough simultaneous that short-term replacement wasn’t felt cost-effective?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Алексей-Омельченко

I strongly urge you to read again what you wrote

amasidlover

@Алексей-Омельченко said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos LOL. Something went wrong and some important features do not work on Suunto App. That happens when you replace finnish team with chinese students;))))

Having worked in the industry this is what happens when middle management only listen to the customers whose views they agree with… The devs generally don’t get much choice in what they focus on and they certainly don’t get to decide whether parts of the infrastructure get shut down or to refuse to communicate their intentions properly to customers.
I suspect @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos has had to take some risks with his career to tell us as much as he does. Quite why the management are so secretive is beyond me as it only alienates customers.

Fenr1r

@amasidlover said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

only listen to the customers whose views they agree with

Do you have an idea who those customers might have been in Suunto’s case? I don’t know the sector. (Does Killian Jornet have input/count as a customer? Can we blame everything on @Brad_Olwin: I know he’s bought a watch or two?) Bulk buyers like Amazon? From your experience, where do you reckon “Go Mobile (and don’t bother me with the details),” might have originated?

Also, wouldn’t the DigiTrans be big enough for senior mgmt at Suunto? (I have no idea how much of Suunto’s biz is sportswatches.) Or I guess they might qualify as middle mgmt in the Amer Sports org chart.

pavel.samokha

@Алексей-Омельченко Suunto is Finnish company, having all R&D in Finland and producing almost all watches in Finland.

P.S. Chinese Students are great at mathematics and many other fields.

Алексей Омельченко

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I’m sorry if you read “you” pronoun regarding yourself. It is a so-called impersonate you = one.
I understand you are a smart guy, but this is maybe second or even third time we don’t understand each other… I’m sorry if you took it personally.

The truth is that I’m absolutely sure Amer Sports replaced the whole engineering team after they had bought Suunto Oy and I’m absolutely sure the new team sucks. It cannot fix the bugs reported by me and other people because it doesn’t consider them as bugs. It cannot create an application even at the same level, the Suunto App is far worse than Movescount.

Алексей Омельченко

@pavel-samokha a user-friendly application is not about mathematics…

Алексей Омельченко

@amasidlover we had the same case, once we bought a small lab with their own application which was our rivals, but we decided to develop both apps - ours and theirs - for some time. We made it better, faster and more stable but most of the reviews were negative when merely a single feature began to work improperly in customers’ eyes, even when it was one and the same feature based on one and the same protocol. For our app people told everything to be ok, but for that app not.
And here is something else: Suunto App worked badly one year ago. It works badly today. So why should we believe tomorrow things will change?

@Алексей-Омельченко said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I’m sorry if you read “you” pronoun regarding yourself. It is a so-called impersonate you = one.
I understand you are a smart guy, but this is maybe second or even third time we don’t understand each other… I’m sorry if you took it personally.

The truth is that I’m absolutely sure Amer Sports replaced the whole engineering team after they had bought Suunto Oy and I’m absolutely sure the new team sucks. It cannot fix the bugs reported by me and other people because it doesn’t consider them as bugs. It cannot create an application even at the same level, the Suunto App is far worse than Movescount.

Are you inside suunto or know the insights to tell that?
Just because you and other submited bugs, doesn’t mean they can be solved immediatelly.
Like in any other industry, there are other things with more priority and other constraints.
Do any of the people here think anyone in any organization will want to a shitty job or not solve clients problems??
It is all about means/priorities/necessity/turnover.
For sure anything related to suunto 9/5/3 will be priority compared to olders models…older models won’t generate turnover (on ambit 3 in fact it will). But won’t give acess to the newer experience to the customer…
Of course there is old costumer engagemente…but between new market to conquer and old costumers already conquered…new is more interesting.

Алексей Омельченко

@André-Faria man, the bugs (in Suunto 9 which was new and topmost one year ago) were reported one year ago. After that, I received a feedback, they promised to fix them “maybe some time in the future”. The future is not here, though…

Auld06

Thanks for being here to relay our comments to Suunto, I guess you share at least some of the frustrations expressed here, so please don’t feel personally demoralised by the nature of the discussion.

Sorry that I was vague about a ‘tolerable decline in functionality’ in Movescount. Specifically, I was thinking of the loss of route videos following a run. I really enjoyed that feature for a month or two after I bought the watch, before it disappeared. Then later, when planning routes for runs, the altitude gains disappeared and we were left just with the overall distance. Unfortunate, but as I say, tolerable, for me at least, whilst the Movescount interface remains so pleasant to use and aesthetically pleasing too, imo.

pavel.samokha

@Алексей-Омельченко said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

I’m absolutely sure Amer Sports replaced the whole engineering team after they had bought Suunto Oy

Amer Sports bought Suunto in 1999.
You’re completely wrong on all your said, please stop.

michaeldwilson

Thank you for the great news! I can only speak for myself, but the visuals, ease of customizing different types of workouts, and especially the search function (!) all make Movescount far superior to a smartphone app. I’m grateful that Movescount will be around a little longer, and I hope Suunto will consider at least outsourcing the Movescount app to a company that could easily keep it going into the future.

kabzior

Never used MC, I am pretty new to Suunto and from the start after buying S9B I used SA.
Since people are praising MC so much I wanted to take a look, created an account and it looks ok, especially when it comes to Personal Bests (function I like but can not find anywhere in other services).
But - is there a way of uploading data from SA to MC? Not directly of course, but any activity import option? I know I should not be using both apps on one phone, so looking for some way of uploading activities to website.

Алексей Омельченко

@pavel-samokha Some Chinese structures called Arta Sports bought Amer Sports in 2018 or 2019. And they decided to develop new direction for suunto (Suunto 7 and 5 etc). Hope you won’t get shocked that much

Алексей Омельченко

@Алексей-Омельченко sorry for misspelling Arta Sports and Amer Sports

zvonejan

@Алексей-Омельченко said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:

@pavel-samokha Some Chinese structures called Arta Sports bought Amer Sports in 2018 or 2019. And they decided to develop new direction for suunto (Suunto 7 and 5 etc). Hope you won’t get shocked that much

?? Google does not know anything about this

Mff73

@kabzior
if you want to import SA activities in MC, you can use Syncmytracks Android for example. But if you love MC after that, you will become sad when/if it disapear

pavel.samokha

@Алексей-Омельченко it’s really sad, that you can’t read public info properly. Amer Sports was bought but international consortium including Anta Sports, Tencent and Lululemon founder. It didn’t affect Suunto operations.
Suunto 5, 7, Suunto App projects had been started long time before acquisition of Amer Sports.

Bulkan

Hi guys,

I’ve reading the post and some comments are not in the line of helping each other, respect for other and yourself and what this community is.

So if any new post is in that wrong line I will edit it in order to end discussion of false or miss leading conversations.