Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?

Prenj

So for the next purchase of sport watch I should ask how long does the manufacturer guarantees they will not cripple my watch. This is very important for I have to carefully calculate amortization schedule. No more impulse purchases. We’ll see does it pay off to buy 500 € watch every two years, when after that period it gets severely crippled by manufacturer and loses value drastically.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r I was joking in terms of how someone values a workout. Like time always has to be converted to money and tha’ts what I did. I converted 1h of activity to a cost.

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Apologies, man: I got lost in the accounting. Points for dry delivery. Hoist by my own petard. Nice one.

Fenr1r

@Prenj You can always try but I doubt they’ll reply helpfully or on the record. In all seriousness, check the mandatory guarantee law in your jurisdiction which will supercede the manufacturer’s period (and may extend the duration).

Maybe next pick a watch that can be essentially autonomous. By and large un-cripple-able from afar. Syncing, ideally, but allowing file access in a form used so widely outside the narrow sportswatch world that it is far less vulnerable to the plans of a single manufacturer.

But still vulnerable to all the connections outside that other manufacturer’s control. And maybe the data security nominally within it.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r there are many watches sold out there that are good and opensource.

And web services.

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos There are. And I’m in no way knocking the quality of web services. I hear good things about … is it SQ? QR? Something like that.

I was offering Prenj a course to minimise the risks of the things that so infuriate him/her now. Each additional connection is another point of vulnerability. MC was no more useful in the field when you didn’t have cell coverage (not Suunto’s doing) than it will be when shut down.

What’s the old saying? “Give me the ability to take responsibility for the bits of my tech solution I can control, the tolerance to endure the vagaries of powers beyond that control and the wisdom to pick something that won’t make me rage pointlessly when it fails one day out of guarantee.”

Stefan Kersting

@Fenr1r haha shit my fault. I meant norwegian crowns. The factor to euro is 1 to 10 when you calculated simple. Watch 370 euro and about 40 cent a day. That’s affordable. The point is: I don’t smoke and can spent the money not smoked use to buy a new watch every second year at last. It’s stupid, I actually don’t want to do it and it’s not sustainable. But that’s another question

Prenj

Huh, thank God I have degree in economics, otherwise I’m not sure if I would be able to calculate can I and should I buy a new watch.

But seriously, do users really have to worry about these things? I would rather see happy customers who buy new products because of new features, different design, better quality etc than to do it because manufacturer decided their device should be crippled.

margusl

@amasidlover said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

@margusl That’s great - is there then just a specific folder I put the resulting files in for SuuntoLink to recognise and transfer them?

This - https://gist.github.com/marguslt/a79ea204f99b45ab015b6ed1ff7529a4#file-mc-workout-termlog-txt - should give you an idea of how workouts are created and handled, while this test took place in linux, main tools - http ( https://httpie.org/ ) & jq - should run just fine in Windows too.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Prenj yup

Mike Green

Please can someone clarify two things for me, and apologies if this information is above, or in the announcement, but I’ve failed to see it; at least not clearly.

Without a [smart]phone, is there any way to get moves from my Ambit3P to somewhere such as Strava? And if there is, how please?
Will it still be possible to create new routes, with waypoints in Movescount after the ‘transition’?
Thanks.

margusl

@Mike-Green said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

Please can someone clarify two things for me, and apologies if this information is above, or in the announcement, but I’ve failed to see it; at least not clearly.

Without a [smart]phone, is there any way to get moves from my Ambit3P to somewhere such as Strava? And if there is, how please?

Will it still be possible to create new routes, with waypoints in Movescount after the ‘transition’?
Thanks.

1 - for this you only need a phone app for a minute or two to just set up connections between Suunto & Strava + perhaps review those default privacy settings. And you can connect to some services (like Runalyze ) even without the app: if Suuntolink allows you to create an account, do that there, if not, create account at https://www.sports-tracker.com/ and use those same credentials with Suuntolink; head over to your service of choice (e.g. Runalyze.com ) and connect it to Suunto.

2 - as you already seem to sync only through cable, you only have to replace your existing Moveslink2 with Suuntolink and make sure its connected to both of your accounts - SuuntoApp & Movescount. Rest of the workflow will remain exactly the same (at least according to information provided to us until now).

amasidlover

@margusl said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

@amasidlover said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

@margusl That’s great - is there then just a specific folder I put the resulting files in for SuuntoLink to recognise and transfer them?

This - https://gist.github.com/marguslt/a79ea204f99b45ab015b6ed1ff7529a4#file-mc-workout-termlog-txt - should give you an idea of how workouts are created and handled, while this test took place in linux, main tools - http ( https://httpie.org/ ) & jq - should run just fine in Windows too.

That’s great - thank you!

Do you happen to know the URIs/POSTs to delete and/or inactivate workouts from the device?

margusl

@amasidlover said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

Do you happen to know the URIs/POSTs to delete and/or inactivate workouts from the device?

Active workouts are controlled by array of RuleIDs in settings json:
https://gist.github.com/marguslt/a79ea204f99b45ab015b6ed1ff7529a4#file-20-settings_template-json-L7
Updating those settings with a single RuleID (13670761) and put takes place here:
https://gist.github.com/marguslt/a79ea204f99b45ab015b6ed1ff7529a4#file-mc-workouts-sh-session-L208

Also a word of warning, resetchangedsettings (either true or false ) seems to be required for changes to take effect, but it can also mess up / reset some of your settings in Movescount (e.g I lost all deactivated sport modes, for good). So I’d create another Movescount account before playing round with this. It’s easy to switch between different Movescount accounts in Suuntolink, just keep multiple copies of %AppData%\Suuntolink\suuntolink_data.json

For deleting a Workout from account you can use delete request:
http delete https://uiservices.movescount.com/userdevices/rules/13670761
though not really sure what happens if you delete a used workout, there doesn’t seem to be too many fail safe routines in place (e.g. if you don’t set a rule type to ‘guidance’ for Workouts, they will show up under http://www.movescount.com/apps#sorting=5&type=1 … )

Fenr1r

@Stefan-Kersting

I don’t smoke and can spent the money not smoked use to buy a new watch every second year at last. It’s stupid, I actually don’t want to do it and it’s not sustainable. But that’s another question.

Having given this some thought, I may have a solution.

Take your notional “I don’t smoke” fund and apply it elsewhere, to something with lasting value. Like disease research or a wine collection.

Back to watches: have you considered a notional “I don’t do meth” fund?

mlakis

Still silence about the route elevation bug

Mike Green

@margusl Very helpful, and actually enouraging too. Thanks very much.

Gábor Tóth

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isazi

@Gábor-Tóth for 24 hours, while yours will last 6 months. Complaining for the sake of complaining you are, young padawan

Fenr1r

@isazi Not sure I agree with you there, Ben. The symbolism is strong here. And stop hanging around your uncle’s school.