I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?
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@zhang965 said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
s9 is more adapted for nowadays.
It isn’t more adapted to nowdays. Can you name any feature that makes it more adapted to nowdays for serious athletes that A3P doesn’t have? It is more marketable for nowdays with features that look better in advertisement materials. And that works - at least that made me buy it even though I had a perfectly working A3P which just needed a new strap.
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@silentvoyager
I don’t get you.Marketing elements are important as well,
We are buying what we want, not what we need.I have a3p ssu s9b, when I bought the ssu, it was sucking , even today,. My ssu sucks, but I still bought a s9b which has a ugly gps about 6 months.
For me s9 still has firmware support, and a3p is ended.
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@zhang965
this is how the companies survive… without marketing and making people want to buy their stuff they would run out of money of course.
I was also almost to buy the S9b but looked into the details listed and then decided that the A3P still fulfills my requirements entirely.
The firmware updates for A3P have been stopped, maybe. But I don’t notice any necessary updates. The only important thing is that the watch can be setup to the users needs and that the recorded data can be uploaded.living sideways
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@mario_b I daren’t even try to answer that question…I have apps in all my sports modes, Even have a sport mode simply built around the apps… I find them very useful and am concerned that the suunto app/web is going to drop them…
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@TELE-HO
I never read features comparaison review or something else list,
I buy it and get it a try.I bought a3p ssu s9b.
I confess I don’t like the charge cable for ambit3 -
@zhang965
I read features lists and watch/read reviews but I try to ignore the personal point of view of the reviewer as good as possible.
If you want to find bad information, you will find them, always. And the reviewed products will of course never make everyone 100% happy, there is always something that is not nice.
…except for A3P this one is perfect
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…except for A3P this one is perfect
…okey… syncing changed sport modes to the watch sucks… this takes forever and isn’t synced after the 7th attempt even though MC shows the gree tick…
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@silentvoyager said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
@Brad_Olwin said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
@zhang965 Seems like most of you do not run ultras. FusedTrack is the most amazing feature since having GPS track runs!!!I run ultras. I’ve never ever used FusedTrack because the battery life in Performance mode has been sufficient so far. There are very few ultras that might require 30+ hours to finish. So FusedTrack is a feature that I might use once per year or perhaps never. I would be far more excited if FusedTrack worked in Performance mode for better accuracy on switchbacks.
Where I run ultras, there are few 100 milers or longer that are less than 30h for me to run. Few of my friends could finish Hardrock in less than 30h so it depends on where you live. FusedTrack is not as good as Performance GPS only for me but an essential feature.
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@Brad_Olwin said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
Where I run ultras, there are few 100 milers or longer that are less than 30h for me to run. Few of my friends could finish Hardrock in less than 30h so it depends on where you live. FusedTrack is not as good as Performance GPS only for me but an essential feature.
I don’t run 30+ hour 100 milers, and very few people do. And if Suunto want to optimize the watch for ultra-runners like those it needs to do a lot of things differently, starting from not using unchangeable 5 minute scale for the graphs.
I’ve run one 100 miler so far, and I used a Good (5 second refresh) GPS mode with Ambit3 (didn’t yet have Suunto 9), and that turned out to be a disaster. Not only I had super inaccurate distance at the end (extra 25 miles) but the watch had also shut down at 26 hours instead of promised 30 hours. The watch entered a very strange mode where it combined distance from the GPS and from the accelerometer, and by the end it was doubling the actual distance, adding 0.01 mile every 10 steps. I learned my lesson, and next time when I do a distance like that I’d rather recharge my watch running in Best mode than use an extended battery mode.
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@silentvoyager i thought the combining of gps and accelerometer disctance (fused-track) is only a feature for S9 and up? didn’t the ambit3 only use that combination for speed accuracy (fused-speed)?
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@silentvoyager I have run 100 milers with my A3P and a 120 miler. I will restate that even at 5 sec fix the A3P would not last. Glad to have an S9 that will last. BTW many folks run or attempt to run 100 milers that are 30+ hours. Hardrock has over 1000 applicants and they all must run a hard 100 miler to qualify. Only the elite can finish theses races under 28-30h.
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@Brad_Olwin for ultras the S9 must be awesome. i have just one problem. the watch battery lasts, but my “body battery” would go to sleep mode.
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@mario_b said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
@silentvoyager i thought the combining of gps and accelerometer disctance (fused-track) is only a feature for S9 and up? didn’t the ambit3 only use that combination for speed accuracy (fused-speed)?
When Ambit3 looses GPS it starts getting speed and GPS from accelerometer. A simple test is to run through a tunnel, which I did a few times during Seattle Marathon. When Ambit3 regains GPS it is supposed to account for the distance that it had already measured with accelerometer so the distance isn’t measured twice, but in the long tunnel example it doesn’t do that correctly so it adds the distance from the last known GPS position again, resulting in (almost) doubling the measured distance. During my 100 mile race, since GPS was countinuously on and off every 5 seconds and GPD reception was challenging in deep canyons, it somehow flagged GPS performance as poor over the course of the race and started counting distance from both accelerometer and GPS, adding both. At least that is what support told me at the time. I don’t think that has ever been fixed.
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@silentvoyager cool, thx for the info, i have to try that.
so example would be:
running into a 1k tunnel, and distance should increase.
getting gps signal back would add an extra 1k. (approximatly)? -
@mario_b said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
@silentvoyager cool, thx for the info, i have to try that.
so example would be:
running into a 1k tunnel, and distance should increase.
getting gps signal back would add an extra 1k. (approximatly)?Yes, that was my experience with Ambit3.
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@silentvoyager that is kinda an edge case and does not happen all the time (1/10 the most). I do run tunnels more than 1K the “old railway” path here in the pyrenees due to GPS testing.
I have observed:
When a gps fix comes, fused speed only increases the distance by the amount the gps distance exceeds wrist distance. Here, however, likely the first fix after tunnel comes through with old coordinates, so fused speed syncs the wrist distance increment first to that, and then when the next fix comes 1s later, fused speed sees that the location has changed only then.
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@silentvoyager @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i think thats why it’s recommend to use “Best” for fast moving, “good” gps for slow moving and 200 when track and distance is not exactly needed? "like a weekly trekking trip for example. that you can see on the map where you have gone.
so for running with 5 sec ping i could imangin , loosing 2 gps signal would make a 15 sec gap where accelerometer distance could start counting, but on the next signal this distance could count again.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos when this is coming?
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@mario_b My experience was that the 5-sec mode was fine when I tested it on several shorter runs, the distance difference with the 1-sec mode wasn’t significant. But during the race I started to notice that the distance was off after about the first 30 miles (50 km) as the race course started dipping into multiple canyons (that was Western States 100M race). As the race progressed the watch distance kept increasingly diverging from the true distance and by the end the watch was doubling the distance even though the terrain was very open.
I am not sure how Suunto 9 would handle that when running in Endurance or Ultra mode, but I am not going to try that in a race setting - if something goes wrong that would be too frustrating.
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@silentvoyager yes i know what you mean. When I first got the watch (ambit3) i took the Garmin (watch i had before) with me for comparison. On good conditions 5sec and Garmin where both spot on. On bad conditions the 1sec made such a great track where the Garmin failed.
I think on 1 sec the gps is on permanently and can filter out ring signals quite well, where on 5 sec it struggles too like any other.
