I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?

mario_b

@TELE-HO ah! i understood that wrong. i thought you mean, you can display the hours for example to sunrise on the watch display without being in an activity.
greetings from the country neighbour right next to yours.

zhang965

@TELE-HO I have 0 app on my ambit 3

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Exactly, a lot of requirements and customization can be solved via apps. I miss the apps…

@mario_b you can found a lot at the Suunto Apps Library and also make your own code: http://www.movescount.com/apps for your A3P.

mario_b

@flypg i know, thanks, i allready read the documentary for it and scripted a few. for example, heart rate zones depending on my lactate threshold with alarm. as working as a system admin, its kind of a quick and easy option to script yourself what you want.

chrish

So just an anecdotal backing of the Ambit3 series.

Coming from ABC watches like the Essential, I started in GPS watch land with an Ambit3 Vertical then switched to the Spartan Sport WHR Baro. Vertical was a GPS nightmare. But apps and onboard POI were nice features and I very much missed them moving to the Spartan. With Movescount going away in 12+ months and no guarantee or specifics about what will and won’t be supported, I just bought an Ambit3 Peak today. I can get it configured in the hopes that it’ll be supported. But if it never gets full support in the Suunto App, at a minimum I’ll have it app-ed up in the next 12 months and I can also navigate without a phone app or any syncing by using the POI feature on the watch. IMO, it’s the only Suunto product that truly can meet this particular use-case and it can pretty much do it and never be connected to a phone app or the web by using it stand alone.

Could have bought an S9 at 3 times the price. But given my usage, the Ambit3 is still going to be the superior device until I see more commitment from Suunto for true back-country use rather than sport/training analysis.

The Spartan is going to be relegated to less that Fitbit status as a HR capable fitness tracker. And my Suunto Essential will still be my daily driver.

The market is ripe for some company to take all of Suunto/Garmin’s backpacking, hiking, mountaineering business.

freeheeler

@zhang965
yes, you’re using your watch as a jewellery to look good, not for sports… you don’t need apps to look good
sarcastic mode off:

I was surprised when I listed my apps for Mario how few apps I actually use, but I know that they’re there (still… hope to be continued in SA…???) and if I miss anything I search for it and maybe copy and adapt it… I will never program it myself… I saw the instruction, I tried, I awefully failed… I’m too stupid for that stuff… I’m a mechanical engineer, I’m used to gears and threads…
But to have the possibility to create an app that simply converts a (for me) useless unit of m/min into m/h is really really great!! …when I’m tired of skinning a new track in deep pow, I am not able to calculate m/min -> m/h…

freeheeler

@chrish
I agree a 1’000+ times with you!
There is simply nothing to add

mario_b

@TELE-HO when you look for an app that you can’t find but’s possible to make. hit me a message.

freeheeler

@mario_b
I will, thank you!

I was also thinking of asking some IT guys I know if they see a possibility of creating what I want… because what I know from software so far is not much… but what I know: everything is possible… it’s just about the amount of lines and knowing the language/code.

freeheeler

@TELE-HO said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:

creating what I want…

I mean in the relation to a MC/SA alternative or self made combination…

estevez

@mario_b said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:

which “apps” are you all using on the ambit?

Sunrise/Sunset
Vertical Speed in m/h
Average vertical speed (m/h) (30s)
Real-time hill incline %
ClimbRate
GPS quality (signal strength)
GPS State
Time to Waypoint
Heart rate in %
ORTHOSTATIC HR TEST

@zhang965 said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:

s9 is more adapted for nowadays.

It isn’t more adapted to nowdays. Can you name any feature that makes it more adapted to nowdays for serious athletes that A3P doesn’t have? It is more marketable for nowdays with features that look better in advertisement materials. And that works - at least that made me buy it even though I had a perfectly working A3P which just needed a new strap.

zhang965

@silentvoyager
I don’t get you.

Marketing elements are important as well,
We are buying what we want, not what we need.

I have a3p ssu s9b, when I bought the ssu, it was sucking , even today,. My ssu sucks, but I still bought a s9b which has a ugly gps about 6 months.

For me s9 still has firmware support, and a3p is ended.
It’s why I moved to another watch

freeheeler

@zhang965
this is how the companies survive… without marketing and making people want to buy their stuff they would run out of money of course.
I was also almost to buy the S9b but looked into the details listed and then decided that the A3P still fulfills my requirements entirely.
The firmware updates for A3P have been stopped, maybe. But I don’t notice any necessary updates. The only important thing is that the watch can be setup to the users needs and that the recorded data can be uploaded.

lohtse

@mario_b I daren’t even try to answer that question…I have apps in all my sports modes, Even have a sport mode simply built around the apps… I find them very useful and am concerned that the suunto app/web is going to drop them…

zhang965

@TELE-HO

I never read features comparaison review or something else list,
I buy it and get it a try.

I bought a3p ssu s9b.
I confess I don’t like the charge cable for ambit3

freeheeler

@zhang965
I read features lists and watch/read reviews but I try to ignore the personal point of view of the reviewer as good as possible.
If you want to find bad information, you will find them, always. And the reviewed products will of course never make everyone 100% happy, there is always something that is not nice.
…except for A3P this one is perfect

freeheeler

…except for A3P this one is perfect

…okey… syncing changed sport modes to the watch sucks… this takes forever and isn’t synced after the 7th attempt even though MC shows the gree tick…

Brad_Olwin

@silentvoyager said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:

@Brad_Olwin said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:
@zhang965 Seems like most of you do not run ultras.  FusedTrack is the most amazing feature since having GPS track runs!!!
I run ultras. I’ve never ever used FusedTrack because the battery life in Performance mode has been sufficient so far. There are very few ultras that might require 30+ hours to finish. So FusedTrack is a feature that I might use once per year or perhaps never. I would be far more excited if FusedTrack worked in Performance mode for better accuracy on switchbacks.

Where I run ultras, there are few 100 milers or longer that are less than 30h for me to run. Few of my friends could finish Hardrock in less than 30h so it depends on where you live. FusedTrack is not as good as Performance GPS only for me but an essential feature.

@Brad_Olwin said in I'm I the only who believes Suunto 9 is more of a SIDEGRADE than UPGRADE to Ambit 3 peak?:

Where I run ultras, there are few 100 milers or longer that are less than 30h for me to run. Few of my friends could finish Hardrock in less than 30h so it depends on where you live. FusedTrack is not as good as Performance GPS only for me but an essential feature.

I don’t run 30+ hour 100 milers, and very few people do. And if Suunto want to optimize the watch for ultra-runners like those it needs to do a lot of things differently, starting from not using unchangeable 5 minute scale for the graphs.

I’ve run one 100 miler so far, and I used a Good (5 second refresh) GPS mode with Ambit3 (didn’t yet have Suunto 9), and that turned out to be a disaster. Not only I had super inaccurate distance at the end (extra 25 miles) but the watch had also shut down at 26 hours instead of promised 30 hours. The watch entered a very strange mode where it combined distance from the GPS and from the accelerometer, and by the end it was doubling the actual distance, adding 0.01 mile every 10 steps. I learned my lesson, and next time when I do a distance like that I’d rather recharge my watch running in Best mode than use an extended battery mode.