Suunto 5

Mi_chael

Yeah i think it’s marketing and economic strategy. Licenses FirstBeat

Frédéric Fiandino

Maybe S9 / Spartan will have higher analysis services thanks to the 3rd party studio partnership? and that the S5 is a lighter version for athletes less picky …

Brad_Olwin

@GingerBeardMan Just so you know I am speculating here, I believe it is licensing but as I stated before, some of the Firstbeat features on the S5 and Training I would not want on my S9.

Brad_Olwin

@dulko79 There are three levels of fitness training options: Maintain, Improve and Boost. They are based on your fitness determined by age, HR, probably VO2 max and maybe R-R information as well as past training recorded. They are sport agnostic with intensity gauged by HR and will guide you through the workouts. There are no defined targets other than intensity and duration. The plans are not designed to train you for a 10k for example. But you run 3h per week and you wanted to improve your fitness to run a 10k in say 45 min. You could implement these plans to first boost your overall fitness and then start a 10k training plan offered by some other site. Alternatively, you could simply use the plans to boost your fitness and that would improve your 10k times or help prepare you for a 10k. I think the watch would be a good choice for you. Garmin offers specific plans I believe now, they have new ones. I do not know how well integrated those are into the watch and your activity. For example, if you go longer or skip a workout the S5 plans will adjust to you. There is also the option to simply set your own weekly duration.

Brad_Olwin

@suzzlo The Training Plans are really quite clever, as workouts are focused on intensity and time, which allows you to do them indoor or outdoor, on a bike, running, swimming, etc! The intensity is HR based but there is guidance during the workout to achieve the stated goal and intensity, to either speed up or slow down. At the end of the workout you get feedback on the goals. For an individual that likes working out, wants to stay in shape or improve fitness it is great! The super additions are you get the Nav features of Spartan/S9 and get estimated VO2 max, which will show up in SA too. I really like this watch and could use it for a lot of my exercises. I have used it extensively for running and ski mountaineering. The altitude is limited by GPS and not barometric but it does a good job with GPS altitude. In Navigation you can see the route and the altitude profile page as is present on the Spartan/S9. The watch is light and I think because of that OHR is better for me on S5 than the S9.

Brad_Olwin

@mountainChris that would be the last one they leaked…

suzzlo

@Brad_Olwin no barometer, I won’t make that mistake again.
Adaptative trainning plans plus recovery… Suunto 7 gets points!!!

Bulkan

@Brad_Olwin Training Peaks plan in the Suunto 5?? What? Where?

NicolasP

@suzzlo I am waiting for this one too

Brad_Olwin

@Bulkan None from TP…hopefully these will be implemented across all devices as Dimitrios has hinted.

Brad_Olwin

@suzzlo I understand you. The compactness of the 5 is nice. It does well without a barometer, I can show examples. I think it might do less well with small changes, my runs rarely have less than 300m.

suzzlo

@Brad_Olwin I experienced really bad altitude values with my Spartan Sport Wrist. Always around 50% less than expected. I have a hilly route around my house of 15k +350m (road), a never get more than 160-170. I have compared with my wife’s vivoactive 3, with Runalyze, Strava, Gaia, SA route planner…
I have send to Vantaa, but their answer was: “all test performed well and it’s no baro unit. Your watch has been send back”.
So I will never forget to add baro to my checklist (even than I’m not trail oriented)

BR

GingerBeardMan

@Brad_Olwin Thanks for the reply, sorry if you had to repeat yourself.
I don’t understand the argument of not wanting the option of having features on the watch, if you’re not interested then you can ignore it or disable it.
Sleep tracking and all HR tracking is there with the option to disable.

zhang965

@GingerBeardMan said in Suunto 5:

@Brad_Olwin Thanks for the reply, sorry if you had to repeat yourself.
I don’t understand the argument of not wanting the option of having features on the watch, if you’re not interested then you can ignore it or disable it.
Sleep tracking and all HR tracking is there with the option to disable.

Yes, it’s a weird thing I saw in the forum.

I met another said almost the same , they don’t want to add these features to suunto 9.

I don’t understand their logic, not wanting the option of features?

We, normal people, if we don’t need it, then we don’t use it, nothing wrong to keep it as options.

@zhang965 If “I” don’t need something, then no one should need it too.
Also when next year s9version2 comes out with these features, then what?

zhang965

@Yannis-Belouris said in Suunto 5:

@zhang965 If “I” don’t need something, then no one should need it too.
Also when next year s9version2 comes out with these features, then what?

Buy a s9 verions2

Bogdan1921

@zhang965

We already talk about s9 2nd version, when the first is far away to be stable. Who will buy the second version and why the things ar going so fast? I can’t undestand…

Saketo Nemo

@Chindris-Bogdan
We are only making assumptions based on nothing, sleep peacefully

Bogdan1921

@Saketo-Nemo

I can expect surprise, so I can’t sleep

zhang965

@Chindris-Bogdan said in Suunto 5:

@zhang965

We already talk about s9 2nd version, when the first is far away to be stable. Who will buy the second version and why the things ar going so fast? I can’t undestand…

The 2nd version will not be realized too soon, but it’s the mainly strategy of nowadays: build new model asap; develop the model after the release, you said S9 is far away to be stable, how about Spartan? the Spartan ultra is yet to be stable even today!

(and you might have a mess of products name, for example thinkpad X1, 7 generations shared the same name )

the good news is, all new suunto watch will be established in a united system, so for software development, it should be easy than before.