Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?

aiv4r

@UjcoCZ said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?:

I like how Suunto handles the power-saving screen—it still shows the map, so I don’t always have to wake the watch to full display.

Can I get more explanation on this? haven’t seen such magic before.

Brad_Olwin

@safari said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?:

I was leaning towards MIP because of my approach to positioning the watch (otherwise I would have gone and bought an Apple watch ). I use it as an off-road computer. But MIP watches have different versions. The MIP screen technology in watches after the Fenix 6X has been significantly improved. On the other hand, I also had the chance to observe the Vertical 2. The screen clarity and map readability are better. My prejudice has been somewhat broken.

The V1 has the best MIP screen made. When we were testing V2 we asked and were told MIP screen tech has not changed. So the only advances would be new HR and faster chip. I would argue the V1 is “modern”.

aiv4r

@Brad_Olwin Interesting. Coros improved their MIP screen between Apex 2 pro and Apex 4, one can clearly see it and at least for my eyes it looks better/brighter than Vertical 1 also. But not an expert, so might be just confirmation bias or smth.

Brad_Olwin

@aiv4r backlighting could be different but I doubt the screen tech is improved. We were also told MIP is more expensive now and very few suppliers.

Elipsus

@Brad_Olwin I heard that too at the time, a colleague have an Apex 4 and the MIP is really, really good, compared to my 9PP it really looks great, I unfortunatly don’t have a Vertical to compare, but honestly i don’t see why we would need better than that

duffman19

I am MIP all the way, but, realistically, I’m quite certain Suunto is done with them. They’ve all but said so. I think it’s pure economics at this point.

@aiv4r How are you finding the Apex 4? Is it really more comfortable than the Vertical? You mentioned it’s less chunky, but does it wear better on the wrist? The dimensions are pretty similar.

And what about the Coros ecosystem? I had a Pace 2 years ago and just couldn’t get over the immature visuals and UI/UX. Has it improved? Are there any actual good watch faces these days?

@brad_olwin I think you are correct that MIP tech hasn’t necessarily improved since the SV1. I believe the difference more has to do with the distance from the screen to the glass. The solar panel on the SV1 recesses the screen a bit, decreasing clarity at off angles. The Apex 4 obviously doesn’t have this.

aiv4r

@duffman19 It is quite nice and comfortable to wear, but I never got used to wearing Vertical 24/7, so for me it is way better, but that is very subjective. It also feels a bit like a toy watch, but also feels lighter for the same reason.
Design-wise it is a disaster still, graphics are bad and boring, watch faces are terrible, they have a lot of them, but I barely can find one I like.
The app itself has its own pros and cons, I like that “effort pace” for example feels a bit more integrated than NGP in Suunto (I can easily see Effort Pace graph throughout the run, while I cannot find a way to do that with NGP in Suunto app).

Brad_Olwin

@aiv4r NGP and AvgNGP can be added as a data field in custom sport modes. I use these, easy to see during the entire run.

aiv4r

@Brad_Olwin yes I am aware and I started to use it also, but I ment in the app after the run is uploaded.

UjcoCZ

@aiv4r said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?:

@UjcoCZ said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?:

I like how Suunto handles the power-saving screen—it still shows the map, so I don’t always have to wake the watch to full display.

Can I get more explanation on this? haven’t seen

On the Garmin, if the display is in dim mode while navigating, I can’t see anything and have to turn my wrist; on the Suunto, the basic map is still clearly visible in dim mode, so I don’t always have to turn my wrist for a quick check of the route. On the Garmin, this is further complicated by a very poor light sensor. such magic before. AMOLED both.

Brad_Olwin

@aiv4r said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?:

@Brad_Olwin yes I am aware and I started to use it also, but I ment in the app after the run is uploaded.

Agreed, for me I use S+ TrainingPeaks Run and you will have NGP in the app after the run, this will allow NGP to show in the lap table.