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      jjpaz Bronze Member
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      After analyzing several activities using two watches simultaneously for comparison and running all the raw data through a pair of AIs, these are the conclusions obtained: aggressive post-processing filter within the FusedSpeed algorithm or a calibration bias in the Race 2 accelerometer.
      It seems that Race 2 is more agressive/conservative than previous Vertical/RaceS algorithms. 😬

      FYI, If you feel like reading for 1 minute:


      TECHNICAL REPORT: Distance and Cadence Discrepancy (Suunto Race 2)
      Subject: Systematic Underestimation of Distance and Cadence: Suunto Race 2 vs. Suunto Vertical/Race S (FusedSpeed/Accelerometer Algorithm Analysis).

      1. Problem Description: After conducting multiple comparative tests (dual-watch setups, wearing both devices on the same wrist to eliminate arm-swing variables), a consistent pattern of distance underestimation has been identified in the Suunto Race 2 (49mm) compared to the Suunto Vertical and Suunto Race S. These tests have been carried out in various activities and, in all of them, the difference in distance ranges between 90-160m in 10km of activity.

      The evidence suggests that the discrepancy does not originate from the GNSS sensor itself (the recorded GPS tracks are accurate), but rather from an overly aggressive post-processing filter within the FusedSpeed algorithm or a calibration bias in the Race 2 accelerometer.

      1. Comparative Test Data example (Same Wrist - Jan 15th, 2026):

      Course: Urban circuit with frequent turns and 4 moderate pace intervals.

      GPS Mode: Performance / Dual-Band (All systems) on both devices.

      FIT File Distance (Race 2): 9.55 km

      FIT File Distance (Race S): 9.62 km

      Calculated GPX Distance (Raw coordinates): 9.62 km

      1. Key Technical Findings:

      GPX vs. FIT Gap: While the Race S and Vertical FIT distances align almost 100% with the distance calculated by the sum of latitude/longitude coordinates (GPX), the Race 2 shows a loss of ~70 meters. This confirms that the device is discarding real GNSS-provided distance based on conservative accelerometer readings.

      Cadence and Stance Time: Despite being on the same arm, the Race 2 consistently reports a higher cadence (174 spm vs 172 spm in Race S). This discrepancy suggests that the Race 2’s heavier chassis (49mm) might be affecting impact detection thresholds, causing the software to misinterpret movement dynamics.

      Pace Transition Smoothing: The distance loss is most significant during pace changes and sharp turns. The Race 2 applies a higher level of “smoothing,” often treating legitimate acceleration or cornering as sensor noise, resulting in “shortened” tracks.

      1. Inquiry for Support: Is there a known calibration offset for the Race 2 (49mm) accelerometer? Are there plans for a firmware update to align the FusedSpeed sensitivity of the Race 2 with the more transparent and accurate performance observed in the Suunto Vertical and Race S models?

      😂

      Suunto T3D, Suunto Spartan Trainer, Suunto Spartan Ultra (retired), Suunto 9 Baro (retired), Suunto 9 Peak (retired), Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar, Suunto Race S, Suunto Race 2 Ti.

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        jjpaz Bronze Member
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        My Suunto Race 2 Technical Test - Final comments:

        I have conducted a side-by-side analysis of the Suunto Race 2 against the Suunto Vertical and Suunto Race S across multiple activities during more than 2 weeks.

        Suunto Race 2 systematically under-reports total distance by 0.5% to 1.5% compared to reference devices (Suunto Vertical and Suunto Race S).

        Analysis of RAW FIT files confirms that this is not a GNSS reception issue. The Race 2 records valid GPS coordinates but seems to discard valid distance data during post-processing. In every activity analyzed, the Suunto Race 2 records a “Session Summary” distance that is significantly lower than the mathematical sum of its own recorded GPS coordinates.

        Pattern: The device records the correct path (lat/long points) but the internal software filters out valid distance.
        Example: The Race 2 RAW file contains GPS coordinates summing to 11.35 km, yet the final session summary displays 11.20 km.
        Comparison: The Suunto Vertical and Race S show a near-perfect match (99.9% accuracy) between their GPS point sum and the displayed distance.

        The Race 2 consistently reports a higher average cadence than the reference units, likely due to hardware inertia or accelerometer sensitivity.
        Pattern: Race 2 reads +2 to +4 spm (steps per minute) higher than Vertical/Race S in every activity.
        Consequently, the device systematically calculates lower power (-7 Watts) and shorter distance (-0.7% to -1.5%) compared to reference devices (Vertical/Race S), despite identical GPS tracks.

        Do you have this difference between devices? Is the current performance acceptable for a flagship device when compared to the older Vertical and the cheaper Race S?

        Suunto T3D, Suunto Spartan Trainer, Suunto Spartan Ultra (retired), Suunto 9 Baro (retired), Suunto 9 Peak (retired), Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar, Suunto Race S, Suunto Race 2 Ti.

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          sky-runner Platinum Member @jjpaz
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          @jjpaz No comment about the distance, but when I first moved to Race S from Garmin Fenix 7X I noticed that it reported noticeably fewer steps than Garmin.

          Later Race / Race S step accuracy when running was improved but my impression was that it still remained too low, so perhaps Race 2 counts steps more accurately.

          Here is an example from a recent 14 mile run on trails. The number of steps is 23886. Historically, when running on flat road I did about 1600 steps per mile and on technical trails - closer to 2000 steps per mile. When walking - also about 2000 steps per mile. This trail run was more runnable but still with a decent amount of ascent, some stairs and some walking sections, etc. 1700 steps per mile feels a bit short.

          Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti
          Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti

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            jjpaz Bronze Member @sky-runner
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            @sky-runner said in Race 2: GPS and distance accuracy vs previous Suunto models:

            @jjpaz No comment about the distance, but when I first moved to Race S from Garmin Fenix 7X I noticed that it reported noticeably fewer steps than Garmin.

            Later Race / Race S step accuracy when running was improved but my impression was that it still remained too low, so perhaps Race 2 counts steps more accurately.

            Here is an example from a recent 14 mile run on trails. The number of steps is 23886. Historically, when running on flat road I did about 1600 steps per mile and on technical trails - closer to 2000 steps per mile. When walking - also about 2000 steps per mile. This trail run was more runnable but still with a decent amount of ascent, some stairs and some walking sections, etc. 1700 steps per mile feels a bit short.

            About steps/cadence: in all my activities during these 2 weeks, Race 2 have measured less steps and higher cadence than Vertical and Race S and I think there’s something wrong. Both watches in same arm.

            For example, yestarday’s activity:

            • Race 2: 9,02km. 8736 steps. 87rpm.
            • Race S: 9,08km. 8743 steps. 86rpm.

            Saturday’s activity:

            • Race 2: 11,21km. 10639 steps. 87rpm. 1h02’38".
            • Vertical: 11,26km. 10647 steps. 85rpm. 1h02’37".

            So, taking this into account, with same distance and duration, how can I take less steps and faster (higher cadence)? I have asked Gemini about this inconsistency:

            "The data recorded by the Suunto Race 2 during the 62:38 session shows a critical mathematical inconsistency between ‘Total Strides’ and ‘Average Cadence’.

            The device recorded a total of 10,639 steps. Mathematically, over a duration of 62.63 minutes, this results in an actual cadence of 169.8 spm (84.9 rpm). However, the watch reported an Average Cadence of 87 rpm (174 spm). For this average to be correct, the device should have registered approximately 10,900 steps, which is not the case.

            This proves that the Suunto Race 2 is not deriving its ‘Average Cadence’ from the ‘Total Strides’ counter. Instead, it is using incorrectly averaged instantaneous values. This ‘ghost cadence’ (87 rpm vs. the real 85 rpm) directly misleads the FusedSpeed algorithm: the watch ‘believes’ the runner is taking more steps than they actually are, assumes a much shorter stride length, and consequently applies an artificial reduction to the total distance (11.21 km vs. the 11.26 km recorded by the Suunto Vertical)."

            WOW

            Suunto T3D, Suunto Spartan Trainer, Suunto Spartan Ultra (retired), Suunto 9 Baro (retired), Suunto 9 Peak (retired), Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar, Suunto Race S, Suunto Race 2 Ti.

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              leafs93 Bronze Member @jjpaz
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              @jjpaz I am really impressed with the work you have done. I had posted in Reddit thread about the conservative distance race 2 is giving, ie I am also getting about 80-130m distance shorter for a 10km run compared to coros pace pro and apex 4. I used to have both race S and Race and both actually have very similar distances logged and are longer by about 80-130m compared to Race 2 (for a 10km run). While I am not disputing that Race 2 could be more accurate in distance, I do think that there could be a smoothing effect in logging of distance . It’s not a big deal but it does bug me quite abit. Sure hope a software update will help resolve this .

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                jjpaz Bronze Member @leafs93
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                @leafs93 said in Race 2: GPS, cadence and distance accuracy vs previous Suunto models:

                @jjpaz I am really impressed with the work you have done. I had posted in Reddit thread about the conservative distance race 2 is giving, ie I am also getting about 80-130m distance shorter for a 10km run compared to coros pace pro and apex 4. I used to have both race S and Race and both actually have very similar distances logged and are longer by about 80-130m compared to Race 2 (for a 10km run). While I am not disputing that Race 2 could be more accurate in distance, I do think that there could be a smoothing effect in logging of distance . It’s not a big deal but it does bug me quite abit. Sure hope a software update will help resolve this .

                Yes, Race 2 seems more conservative than Vertical or Race S in terms of distance calculation. These two are more confident in GPS points and cañculated distance is close to the GPS raw distance. Maybe they are a bit generous. Race 2 filters/discard around 1% of the raw distance. What’s more accurate? May be perfection is in the middle?

                Have you moticed difference in cadence? Do you have more cadence (+2rpm) with Race 2 compared to other watch (wearing both in same arm)?

                Now I’m training only with one watch, Race 2, and don’t compare to other.

                Suunto T3D, Suunto Spartan Trainer, Suunto Spartan Ultra (retired), Suunto 9 Baro (retired), Suunto 9 Peak (retired), Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar, Suunto Race S, Suunto Race 2 Ti.

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                  Liviu Nastasa @jjpaz
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                  @jjpaz My recent experience with Race 2 (and the last 2 firmware versions) confirms your findings. When running on the same route, I came to know where to expect the lap marks and I noticed that Race 2 has some delays, and the whole distance counted at the end of the activity is less than what I had on the same route with various other devices (AWU/AWU3/Vertical 1/Epix Pro/Fenix 7x).

                  I looked into the fit files exported and that confirms your data: the GNSS distance is 1-2% higher than what I see on the screen. This seems to be the result of the recent adjustments in the firmware, the look of the track visually seems ok but I’m a bit annoyed that I’m getting lower distance and I can’t trust the device as I did in the past. Suunto may have some limitations when compared with Garmin high end watches (or the smartness of Apple Watch Ultra) but at least the GNSS and basic measurements were top (until now). Hope for a change in the next updates, otherwise I’m tempted to change device for another brand. Let’s see if the problem is at least acknowledged …

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                    sky-runner Platinum Member @Liviu Nastasa
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                    @Liviu-Nastasa If the difference is 1-2% on a road, I wonder what it would be on a twisty trail.

                    Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti
                    Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti

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                      Liviu Nastasa @sky-runner
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                      @sky-runner c9ab307b-00f3-4382-ba11-f9b9714e9577-image.png I run today with a friend wearing a Garmin Epix Pro, his watch measured 14.6km … mine shown 14.44km … the difference seems to be 1.43%.

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                        jjpaz Bronze Member @Liviu Nastasa
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                        @Liviu-Nastasa said in Race 2: GPS, cadence and distance accuracy vs previous Suunto models:

                        @sky-runner c9ab307b-00f3-4382-ba11-f9b9714e9577-image.png I run today with a friend wearing a Garmin Epix Pro, his watch measured 14.6km … mine shown 14.44km … the difference seems to be 1.43%.

                        160m difference in ~14km. Today mi Race 2, 120m less than Vertical in 12,2km. (The sistematic ~1% difference).

                        You can try “distance correction” in Strava (GPX ra distance) and see the difference. May be it wiil be more close to Garmin final distance.

                        Suunto T3D, Suunto Spartan Trainer, Suunto Spartan Ultra (retired), Suunto 9 Baro (retired), Suunto 9 Peak (retired), Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar, Suunto Race S, Suunto Race 2 Ti.

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