Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware
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@nassosc I am sorry to say but if you expect a wrist based device to give you the same results from a threadmill then I would suggest to sell the watch and get somtbing else or a brand that let’s you calibrate via treadmill etc.
Suunto devices calibrate via GPS and are mainly used for outdoor distance.
The treadmill already shows you the distance and pace why bother?
As another example, another user can complain about the rowing distance not being correct.
That said I do know that even expensive pods don’t match all threadmills.
To blame the device that is not build for this purpose I am sorry but come on.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i use the treadmill distance meter when i run on the treadmill. the whole issue came to my attention after an update. till then the watch and the treadmill were almost the same. So when the difference was more thatn “normal” (what is normal?) I made the post. I would prefer it if it was similar to the watch for logging the runs correctly. no other reason.
The GPS works wonderfully (and all out door features) and that is why I use this watch and have been choosing Suunto watches for years, running and diving. I love my S9 and dont want to change it to garmin, to apple or anything else. Only suunto 10
Im aware there can be issues especially when buying anything tech related on the first day it is released and I can leave with it.
My opinion is though that if the feature is supported it should work, or at least be consistent.
I also mentioned it here not to complain but maybe find a solution to this problem, a workaround or a more technical solution. -
@nassosc tha case is that afaik we did not change anything to the calibration of the accelerometer, just that it resets that factor eventually. I do understand that it’s not convenient for this to happen, once it works good, but atm we cannot do anything as this factor should come from a GPS distance.
I can open a request to let the user set a distance calibration such as the S3 does but what I understand treadmills are not good to get a watch/pod/etc to be calibrated with. I ll take this further.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i dont want to mess up other things for a treadmill calibration issue. As mentioned this is an outdoor watch that works perfectly fine in that field. Not familiar with how the S3 works.
I’m not a fan of treadmills and dont trust them much. The reason for trusting theses ones more than the S9 is that my coach insists that they are calibrated.
I think this issue has been exhausted and can now be closed.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos It would be nice to see some kind of calibration field that one could set to line the rowing machine up with the watch in a similar way. I always do a km warm up in the gym according to the machine, but consistently get 0.20 km from the watch. I’m not sure how much work that is, but it sounds to me like a relatively simple field where one can input a multiplication factor. Although this would be nice, it’s not something that bugs me, as my indoor rowing is just a warm up, yet I guess someone who treats that activity more seriously might appreciate it.
Again, Suunto watches are outdoor kit mostly. However, imagine how much extra interest they could receive if the data produces from indoor activities was accurate? I reckon they’re missing a trick here!
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It would be great if Suunto added ability to manually calibrate the watch - just let me enter the actual distance at the end of the run. I know at least some Garmins allow that. My S9 always measures about 20% long on treadmills. The problem is that most of my runs outside are quite different than treadmills runs, so the automatic calibration simply doesn’t work. My runs outside are either with my dog which affects the wrist movement or trail runs with a lot of elevation changes, which means my cadence tends to be slower outside. My treadmill runs tend to be on the faster side and with higher cadence, so that is probably the reason the watch overestimates the distance and the pace.
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@silentvoyager And S3’s do that
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If you about the correct values for treadmill I would use foot pod for that and all your suffering is ended
none of whatches gave me exact values and none of treadmill in casual gym is calibrated, so foot pod is the best solution for you all -
For me the SSSWHR does a decent job on a treadmill, not perfect, but decent as in sufficient for me and my use.
But I am disappointed while using it on a crosstrainer. I do not expect perfection at all, but I really wonder why the results show for today: 60:00 min of use, distance 2,55 km, with 9446 steps, or a few days ago 45:00 min of use, 2,06 km, 6947 steps. So it seems, that the number of steps has been registered correctly… but at the same time the algorithm seems to count every stride with only a “few centimeters” . So: cadence sensor seems to be good, the algorithm not.
And no - of course most of these values can only be seen on the watch, and not in the incredibly “not too good” SA-app.
And yes - I would vastly prefer to run outdoors, but have to be patient and suffer indoors due to my marvelous Achilles tendon
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@SlaSh oHRM
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@Shrek3k I think the treadmill is no ones weapon of choice.
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@nassosc said in Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware:
@Shrek3k I think the treadmill is no ones weapon of choice.
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My treadmill run today was spot on. Run on the treadmill every blue moon though. I think it is calibrated enough from outdoor runs.
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@SlaSh I don’t care that much about accuracy on tradmills to buy a footpod. I run on a treadmill only 1-2 miles per week as a warm-up in a gym as opposed to 30-40 miles per week outside. But it would be nice for the error to be less than 20-30%. Just let me calibrate it myself as opposed to automatic calibration.
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I thought not to start a new thread but yesterday from my 18k outdoor run I have all sorts of different values.
Watch and app show avg bmp 146 and movescount 137. you can see the difference in the graphs. Also the first minutes are completely wrong with max heart rate. I did push towards the end so the app graph is closer to the truth although it certainly did not feel anywhere near 180+ (especially at that pace)
Also my pace on the watch was 4:56 whereas on strata 4:53.
I used the heart rate belt.
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@nassosc For the Strava issue, Strava filters data, removes all data where Strava thinks you are not moving so speeds will not match.
For the HR, if you filter out the high reading at start with MC, do they match well? Avg HR? This is common when the belt is not getting good contact at the beginning or the belt is old or dirty.
I do not know why the spike at the start did not show up in SA. How did you sync to both? MC first then SA?
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the belt is new and clean. First I synced the SA and then MC.
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@nassosc Always, when I use Suunto belt, Strava has wrong values. When i measure HR from S9 OHR, Strava HR is fine.
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@nassosc That is just weird…I have not seen these issues with my belt but I am not directly syncing to MC anymore.
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@Brad_Olwin not sure what you mean with directly… I connect to moves count every time I need to charge the watch. The charger is on my Mac.
