Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]

soisan

@pilleus said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

The selection of map sections is still a challenge. In Germany, I can’t download any of the federal states in their entirety.

The truth is that you can download 13 of the 16 federal states in their entirety… Only Baden-Württemberg, Nordrhein-Westfalen and Bayern are divided in smaller parts…

pilleus

@soisan

The problem is that it’s a challenge to find the maps in an unknown area or country. Why is there no possibility to search for a city? Or to download the area the cursor is set on a map? Or the GPS is located?

For me it’s a poor solution to handle the administration of needed maps.

pilleus

My bike tour is planned from Regensburg via Salzburg, Innsbruck, Reschensee, Meran, Gardasee, Verona to Venedig.

The total area is shown on the map I attached out of Suunto app.

Tyrol (if I choose it) is shown as a part of the route. Why not the names of all needed parts of the map around Tyrol so that I can download these maps without searching for the correct names? These parts are provided by Suunto, but I need to search and find out the correct names to download.

Or just the option to download all needed parts of the map shown on the screenshot?

Egika

@pilleus yes, there are different ways to define map regions to download.
Tiles, circles, rectangles on a map, maps needed for a planned route and others.

As written above: Suunto is currently working on this.

soisan

@pilleus Why are you telling me all this? I just pointed out that the mentioned part of your post was totally wrong.

Stefano M64

@Egika said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

Suunto is currently working on this.

I don’t meant to be boring, but hope that someone is also working on checking the map accuracy.
As already reported, the SA seems to be using a layer of OSM that contains a lot of artefacts:
SA on left and, OSM with “Cycle map” layer on the centre (showing both the same wrong feature), and the OSM with “Tracestrack Topo” on the right, which shows the correct topography:

The Dolomite area is full of this kind of errors (read: fake depressions), which are present only on the “Cycle Map” OSM layer. In some places these artefacts completely distort the real topography, causing the maps shown by SA to be wildly inaccurate.

pavel.samokha

I’ll quickly comment on some raised issues, but if you want to continue discussion on any of it - please create separate topic.

Limited update schedule. Due to cost/resource/validation reasons. Known and should be improved in the future.
Inconvenience of region selection for some countries, especially as a destination. Known, hopefully will have graphical way to select in the future.
Elevation contours is not perfect in some places? This is a complex subject. Suunto uses globally available digital elevation models (DEM) for watch maps, Suunto App uses Mapbox data (no idea what exact elevation model do they use, but anyway it’s not related to watch maps updates). While improving elevation model (specifically for route building) is important topic we’re unlikely to have resources to verify and fix specific places everywhere in the world.

Again, please here comments only related to the update. If you have any suggestions or issues you want to report - it should be in the dedicated topic, existing or new.

pilleus

@pavel.samokha

Sorry for capturing your thread with this discussion. May be you can move it to a new topic. 🫣

Stefano M64

@pavel.samokha said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

This is a complex subject. Suunto uses globally available digital elevation models (DEM) for watch maps, Suunto App uses Mapbox data (no idea what exact elevation model do they use, but anyway it’s not related to watch maps updates).

it is definitely odd for me that watch and SA have different map sources, since they are parts of the same ecosystem: a Suunto user draw a route in SA and then send it to the watch, but nobody can tell if the maps shown by the two (watch and SA) are the same in that area … WOW(1)!

While improving elevation model (specifically for route building) is important topic we’re unlikely to have resources to verify and fix specific places everywhere in the world.

none at Suunto cares if thousand of his costumers by opening the SA will find wrong maps in one of the most frequented area along the Alps … WOW(2)!

I don’t think that this is good for the Suunto’s reputation, but if this the policy of the company I surrender, will no more bother the forum about that.

Sorry for the OT.

Egika

@Stefano-M64 said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

@pavel.samokha said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

While improving elevation model (specifically for route building) is important topic we’re unlikely to have resources to verify and fix specific places everywhere in the world.

none at Suunto cares if thousand of his costumers by opening the SA will find wrong maps in one of the most frequented area along the Alps … WOW(2)!

Sorry for the OT.

Still OT, but this is clearly not what Pavel wrote.
Not caring for map accuracy in a busy place in the Alps is definitely not the same as not being able to fix specific places everywhere in the world.
Please don’t reframe the statement into something else you can then be upset about.
Thx!

Stefano M64

@Egika said in Maps Partial Update Rollout, July 2025 [Limited Countries]:

Still OT, but this is clearly not what Pavel wrote.

I apologize, didn’t want to be unkind or “reframe” what Pavel stated.

the plain fact is that the maps provided by Mapbox are proved to be (very) wrong in some areas and that is - in my opinion - a problem for Suunto and its costumers. We are no more in the old times when maps were drawn by hand and then often very approximate, nowdays people are used to completely rely on them, wrong maps should not exist.