Rumors and dreams

jjpaz

Oooh, velcro strap… and… new watchfaces…

sky-runner

sky-runner Sounds like you actually want / need a Garmin!

I already have Garmin Fenix 7X. I don’t trust Garmin recently because of how buggy the software is. There are a lot of reports of crashes and I’ve experienced some crashes myself. Also the map experience is rather poor.

I’d rather have a slightly improved Suunto. I am not asking for much.

Tieutieu

@sky-runner except the longer battery life if amoled and improved OHR, for all the other things I’m not with you. SV as already everything needed. UI is already simple, 3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen. Sapphire and TI already there.
Suunto climb does the job very well.
For the crown I own both SV and SRs. Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.
No opinion on strava features (I don’t use it and don’t want too).

I would rather (and hope) to see what’s coming next as FW upgrades.

sky-runner

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen

I’d disagree with this. Modern Suunto watches have lost some of the UX features of Suunto Ambit because of the dumbed down 3 button interface.

Ability to have shortcuts to commonly used features during an activity. This was possible in Ambit Series but is no longer possible.
Ability to rotate through different views of the same data screen, which, for instance, would be very useful on the map screen. For example in Ambit I could instantly toggle between a detailed map, and overview map, and an upcoming waypoint view by pressing the View mode. I think that was super useful. In contrast, modern Suunto UX has completely lost the ability to give you details about about an upcoming waypoint, except when you do a direct navigation to a single waypoint.
Furthermore, additional buttons could be used in S+ apps. Instead some S+ apps end up overriding existing buttons, which blocks their normal functionality. For example, ZoneSense overrides the “Start/Stop” button, which means you cannot stop or pause an activity while on ZoneSense screen. That doesn’t seem like a great UX decision to me, and the main reason for that is the lack of buttons. Similarly, the lap button is used for the map/navigation menu while on the map screen, which means you can no longer make laps unless you change to another screen.

With regards to touch, it is nice to have, but becomes very annoying when wearing a long sleeve shirt once it becomes wet from sweat or rain. The touch keeps activating unintentionally. And because of the limited number of buttons, there is no longer a way to lock/unlock the watch using the buttons. That was possible with Ambit series. In general I don’t think I ever use the touch screen except in rare cases when when I need to pan the map, which isn’t very often. To me, the touch functionality is perhaps more annoying than useful because of how often it does things on its own unintentionally.

Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.

You and I may be using our watches very differently. I use the crown all the time to zoom the map in and out when trail running, depending of whether I want to see more of the path ahead or focus on staying on the path when there are a lot of intersections. Other than that I don’t use crown that much.

maszop

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen. Sapphire and TI already there.

It’s not quite like that. The keys are also used to make it easier to use the watch, e.g. with gloves, in the rain, frost, or when using trekking poles or an ice axe, etc. Add to this the negligible usefulness of the Lap Button in many activities, in reality, there are only 2 usable buttons left.

Suunto climb does the job very well.

Something like the Climber feature from Hammerhead would be perfect.

Brad_Olwin

@sky-runner said in Rumors and dreams:

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen

With regards to touch, it is nice to have, but becomes very annoying when wearing a long sleeve shirt once it becomes wet from sweat or rain. The touch keeps activating unintentionally. And because of the limited number of buttons, there is no longer a way to lock/unlock the watch using the buttons. That was possible with Ambit series.

A long press on the lower button will bring up a menu, First on that is button lock, which I use with SkiMo. So it is there.

In general I don’t think I ever use the touch screen except in rare cases when when I need to pan the map, which isn’t very often. To me, the touch functionality is perhaps more annoying than useful because of how often it does things on its own unintentionally.

That is when I use it as well. On the Vertical one can set a Custom Battery mode to have touch on only when the Map is present. I rarely have issues with sleeves interfering with the touch screen or rain. But our rain is different than yours. When Ski Mountaineering I lock the screen.

Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.

You and I may be using our watches very differently. I use the crown all the time to zoom the map in and out when trail running, depending of whether I want to see more of the path ahead or focus on staying on the path when there are a lot of intersections. Other than that I don’t use crown that much.

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

Fenr1r

@sky-runner said in Rumors and dreams:

Ability to rotate through different views of the same data screen, which, for instance, would be very useful on the map screen. For example in Ambit I could instantly toggle between a detailed map, and overview map, and an upcoming waypoint view by pressing the View mode. I think that was super useful. In contrast, modern Suunto UX has completely lost the ability to give you details about about an upcoming waypoint, except when you do a direct navigation to a single waypoint.

The UX didn’t just give up on the button to show the results of the function, the post-Ambit FW gave up on the function. You could add back the button to toggle views … and you’d get the same on-route details that a “Next WP” field in an exercise mode will give today. I’d like the option for direct-to-WP details, too, but I don’t think that’s precluded by the 3-button layout.

2b2bff

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

AntoniusGaius

@2b2bff said in Rumors and dreams:

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

I have two of them paired. S9PP and Ambit 3 peak. I use both. You can easy switch between them. I’m on iOS app.

Brad_Olwin

@2b2bff said in Rumors and dreams:

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

I have 8 or 9 watches in my BT list paired to SA, only one will connect to SA at a time but dead easy to switch between them. iOS.

Elipsus

If I could have a watch of my dreams ?
well, I love, my 9peak pro, so , let’s start with that, its a compact and beautiful machine, nothing even come close for “smartwatch that can be worn with a suit”.

Put a wider screen so that the ugly gigantic bezels are less unsightly now that its wider ,put some map support
keep the MIP ans sapphire cristal,
add dual band GPS from Vertical
add solar if you can
and use the enhanced HRM from Race S.

Then, you manufacture this in Finland, so that you have a real differentiation factor from “absolutely all other sport smartwatches in the world” (to my knowledge ?)
You ship it with a software that does “exactly the same as before” but you stop adding bugs, and unnecessary fluff

Make it 1000€; i don’t care if this is what it should cost, Garmin can sell 1000€ ugly-ass fenix made in Taiwan, so you’re still good margin wise.

Instant buy, no questions asked, i would even add 2 extra overpriced wrist-straps just for support

kriskus

@Elipsus So, basically a Vertical S

iterum tenta

@Elipsus Any personalized watch is still made in Finland.

runomatic

@2b2bff said in Rumors and dreams:

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

You’re wrong. There’s a howto on YouTube for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgpZOf6QI3s

2b2bff

@runomatic I only have one watch and the Suunto App says “Connect a different device - This will disconnect Suunto Race S” (translated from German). That gave me the impression…
Ah, I see you have to manually switch between them, if you paired more than one…

Elipsus

@Elipsus So, basically a Vertical S

Yup lol, with new HRM, a man can dream ^^

@iterum-tenta said in Rumors and dreams:

@Elipsus Any personalized watch is still made in Finland.

Pardon my sceptisim, but I think its just a matter of how you define made in finland
In France, its “the last meaninful manufacturing step”, so if the watch are sent from China with just the back not assembled, someone in Finland put the back shell in an engraving machine, then place the shell on the watch and thightnen the screw, that could be enough to qualify it as “Made in Finland”.
I hope its not the case for Suunto, truly.

jjpaz

@2b2bff Yes, that’s the way it works. Only one watch connected at the same time. I have 3 watches registered in App and can select wich one is the “chosen one”

sky-runner

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

A long press on the lower button will bring up a menu, First on that is button lock, which I use with SkiMo. So it is there.

Right. I used the lock menu so I am familiar with this. Except this doesn’t work this way when on the map screen because the map overloads the lower button to show the map specific menu. And it is the map screen where I need to lock/unlock the most often because unlocking the watch is required in order to change the map zoom level.

So basically, to change the map zoom level I have to the following:

Change from the map to another data screen
Long press on the lap button to bring the menu
Press button to unlock
Change back to the map screen
Rotate the crown to change the zoom level
Change again to another data screen
Long press on the lap button to bring the menu
Press button to lock
Change back to the map screen

That is an awfully inconvenient series of steps just to change the zoom level. But if I am not locking the watch and my sleeves are wet, then the map starts to pane on its own all the time, which is equally frustrating.

Perhaps the right short term solution should be to allow to change the map zoom level when the watch is locked. That seems quite reasonable to me - that isn’t any worse than allowing pressing on the crown to change between the data screens. The same should apply to changing between the vertical profile views when the watch is locked. Both actions are easily reversible so they should be allowed in the locked mode.

Brad_Olwin

@sky-runner said in Rumors and dreams:

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

A long press on the lower button will bring up a menu, First on that is button lock, which I use with SkiMo. So it is there.

Right. I used the lock menu so I am familiar with this. Except this doesn’t work this way when on the map screen because the map overloads the lower button to show the map specific menu. And it is the map screen where I need to lock/unlock the most often because unlocking the watch is required in order to change the map zoom level.

That is an awfully inconvenient series of steps just to change the zoom level. But if I am not locking the watch and my sleeves are wet, then the map starts to pane on its own all the time, which is equally frustrating.

Perhaps the right short term solution should be to allow to change the map zoom level when the watch is locked. That seems quite reasonable to me - that isn’t any worse than allowing pressing on the crown to change between the data screens. The same should apply to changing between the vertical profile views when the watch is locked. Both actions are easily reversible so they should be allowed in the locked mode.

Indeed it is when on the map screen and as you do, I often use the map screen when stopped because I need to see where I am in relation to the map. Often that requires panning and zooming. This has been discussed among the testers and I think will be improved. I have no idea what the timeline is.

Luis Andés Olmedo

Watch of my dreams would be:

5 buttons (or maybe 4) Solar Suunto Vertical with 24mm strap band and web based app.

“That” easy