Watch unusable in wind
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@Niclas-Brundell The cause is this pulsing, the solution is relatively simple, but Suunto has been pretending for years that the problem does not exist and does not want to fix it.
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Today was the wind stronger than usual. So the spikes on the meadows are significant (and the distance (3D?) is longer too). I’m wearing the Vertical on the sleeve.
(The “spikes” in the Woods are terrain)
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@maszop said in Watch unusable in wind:
@Niclas-Brundell The cause is this pulsing, the solution is relatively simple, but Suunto has been pretending for years that the problem does not exist and does not want to fix it.
How do you know this? On this post and others more than one field tester has told you otherwise. Please stop with the statements that are your personal interpretations of what you think facts are. Suunto is aware of this, collected a lot of data to implement a fix including my data as I have a lot. I do not know when the fix will be implemented.
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@duffman19 said in Watch unusable in wind:
@Niclas-Brundell And the exact same thing happens if the watch is submerged in water. You’ll see a huge spike in elevation followed by a huge drop when you take it out. (Someone wrote somewhere about taking a dip mid activity and having it throw the elevations numbers way off.) Seems an easy fix would be to add a simple filter to disregard any elevation changes faster than x meters / second. Others have figured it out.
Not that simple when skiing fast or paragliding! Water will always be an issue and I would not recommend jumping in water with a run or bike sportmode, do a mode fast switch to swimming and the issue will not happen.
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@Brad_Olwin Just look at the graph in magnification. Besides, sometimes you can see on the watch screen how the current altitude value changes quickly.
And as for Suunto testers, it looks like they unfortunately don’t see many problems during their tests. This is clearly visible when update is released or reporting problems on the forum, where testers always respond “I don’t have this problem”.
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@maszop
I’m sorry but I start having the doubt that you simply don’t read Brad answers, or that you just see what you want to see to reinforce your opinion.quoting @Brad_Olwin
Suunto is aware of this, collected a lot of data to implement a fix including my data as I have a lot. I do not know when the fix will be implemented.
what else do you expect to read here other than people experiences?
is it just a testers blaming game?
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@sartoric I reported the problem through various channels with the release of 9PP, it was the end of 2022. Now it’s 2025, nothing has been done (just denying it) and the only thing that has changed after a few years is that the problem really exists, but whether and when there will be a fix - it is not known.
This is a joke.The same goes for a few other things: contour lines, navigation messages, etc.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
Not that simple when skiing fast or paragliding!
Then can’t there be different parameters or filters for different activities? If it’s a run, bike, walk, or other slowish land activity, a simple filter ignoring sudden drastic changes in elevation makes sense to me. All I know is that I’ve tested this by quickly dunking my Suunto under water side-by-side with other brands and the Suunto is the only one that registers big elevation changes.
@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
I would not recommend jumping in water with a run or bike sportmode, do a mode fast switch to swimming and the issue will not happen.
So if I’m out on the trail and reach down into stream to splash some water on my face or clean off some mud, I should switch to a swimming activity? These are the scenarios I’m referring to where an improved filter would be of service. And I would imagine this would improve the elevation performance in windy situations as well.
@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
Suunto is aware of this, collected a lot of data to implement a fix
Good to hear! Looking forward to testing this when it comes out.
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@duffman19 said in Watch unusable in wind:
@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
Not that simple when skiing fast or paragliding!
Then can’t there be different parameters or filters for different activities? If it’s a run, bike, walk, or other slowish land activity, a simple filter ignoring sudden drastic changes in elevation makes sense to me. All I know is that I’ve tested this by quickly dunking my Suunto under water side-by-side with other brands and the Suunto is the only one that registers big elevation changes.
@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
I would not recommend jumping in water with a run or bike sportmode, do a mode fast switch to swimming and the issue will not happen.
So if I’m out on the trail and reach down into stream to splash some water on my face or clean off some mud, I should switch to a swimming activity? These are the scenarios I’m referring to where an improved filter would be of service. And I would imagine this would improve the elevation performance in windy situations as well.
I did not say that! I stated “jumping in water” not dipping your hand the water.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:
I did not say that! I stated “jumping in water” not dipping your hand the water.
Gotcha. My point was that dipping the watch in water does in fact cause elevation spikes, very similar to windy conditions as others have outlined here. And this is what should be addressed.
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@duffman19 I have not experienced this filling many water bottles, ever. It may depend on the watch, if the baro holes are exposed directly to fast moving water I can imagine how that would affect the sensor. Seriously, in the summer and fall I run almost every weekend in the mountains and fill my bottles multiple times as well as wash off my hands. Never had this happen.
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Would disabling the barometric sensor be an easy addition as a feature from Suunto?
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@Brad_Olwin I believe you. I have replicated the behavior in my kitchen sink, though. A second or two after dropping my Vertical in a bowl of water adds 100+ feet of elevation. Could just be my watch, though. I’ll see if I can make a video later if I have time.
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@sartoric said in Watch unusable in wind:
Have you ever cleaned it ?
Yes, after almost every activity.
Here’s a quick video demonstrating the difference between the Vertical and my 955. Both are actively recording a “Run” activity. You’ll notice both watches immediately register the pressure difference when entering the water, but only the Vertical counts this towards the activity’s total ascent/descent.
And pics for quick reference:
The 955 appears to apply some sort of filter to disregard the sudden and dramatic pressure changes. I imagine something similar would be beneficial in windy conditions as well.
Vertical Ti
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@maszop On Saturday I did a Ski Tour wearing my Vertical on the outside of my jacket, it was covered in snow for about 1/2 of the tour. I wore the Race S under all of my clothes on the other arm. Uphill both watches were constantly subjected to pole plants and the Vertical to moderate winds in addition to the snow and water accumulating on the watch. Both gave nearly identical elevation gain data. (Similar for a trail run today where both watches were exposed with wind). I realize you have an issue but I do not unless the winds are extremely strong (enough to impede progress or blow you over!). Below is a screenshot of the altitude profile and photos of the conditions. elevation in meters
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@duffman19 How deep was the water?
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@Brad_Olwin Just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean others don’t. I thought we had already reached that conclusion. Are we back to the denial phase again?
This also applies to other problems reported on the forum that you probably don’t have.
For me the problem is easily repeatable, strong wind is enough. It could be a matter of differences in terrain, different climate, whatever. Garmin and other manufacturers also of various applications simply smooth out the data and have fairly reliable results.
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@maszop said in Watch unusable in wind:
Just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean others don’t. I thought we had already reached that conclusion. Are we back to the denial phase again?
Really ?
Please tell me you’re trolling.Since reported use cases are just seen as “issues denial” I don’t think there’s anything more to discuss here.
As already advised, closing as garbage time is already reached (and not because I’m trying to hide or deny any issue).@duffman19
Maybe open a new thread with that specific case.
I’ve tried with mine and ascent is rising (obviously) but not that fast and that much.
I’ve got something like 7/10 meters in almost 1 minute and a half (in ~10cm of water) -
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