Suunto ZoneSense

Egika

@Egika said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@Antoine Ambit 3 belt will do. It has RR measurement and is BT.

There is no RR (RR memory, it is quite new)

This is this one:

https://www.suunto.com/fr-fr/Produits/Ceintures-de-frequence-cardiaque/Suunto-Smart-Sensor/

Memory is not needed. Ambit’s HR belt definitely has RR data, as it was the first watch do calculate respiration rate from this data.

taziden

Feature request: get rid of the 5 circular segments around the screen, replace them with ZoneSense zones please

Matija S

This looks great! Didn’t try it on a watch yet, but post analysis for past workouts shows data. Used Polar chest strap.

Brad_Olwin

I can comment on this as well. During testing I “ran” 3 4300 m peaks one day after another for 3 consecutive days. By the third day I was fatigued and the Zone Sense aerobic HR had dropped significantly in the post analysis. This will be extremely helpful in real time when racing as it will allow you to change effort to avoid the ultra death march.
First image Mt Elbert was first peak and 2nd image was 3rd peak on 3rd day

Sergei Ladeishchikov

For what period of time does SuuntoSense calculate data? As far as I understand, if you enter SuuntoSense in SA activity, there will be zones calculated using HRV (not zones from the watch)? I compared these zones with the zones set in TP (and in the watch, respectively), and these zones are 100% similar.

Egika

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov your screenshot from SA shows only the zones set in the watch.
If ZoneSense comes to the conclusion that they are different, it will show this in a separate column.

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@Egika Thanks for the info! So SuuntoSense thinks my zones are relevant to the calculations? Does anyone have a screenshot of what it should look like?

Egika

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov
There is no “should”.
Just if ZoneSense has data that leads to adjusting the threshold it will look this this:

Matúš

@isazi said in Suunto ZoneSense:

So, ZoneSense is a way to get rid of zones, and have another metric to separate aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max efforts during a workout.

Maybe I do not get the exact point of ZoneSense, but if I go out running some reps, there is at least one activity screen that shows both time/distance field and HR data, i.e., the “old” HR zones.

I’ve just tried the ZoneSense app and, as expected, the “new” zones are shown as aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max but, even by changing the data fields through the upper button, neither time nor distance data are shown: so, how to workout some reps without the need of changing activity screen to check distance/time and zones?

stromdiddily

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto ZoneSense:

I can comment on this as well. During testing I “ran” 3 4300 m peaks one day after another for 3 consecutive days. By the third day I was fatigued and the Zone Sense aerobic HR had dropped significantly in the post analysis. This will be extremely helpful in real time when racing as it will allow you to change effort to avoid the ultra death march.

I have one more peak long weekend before my 100 on the 5th. May just have to give this exact scenario a go

Egika

@Matúš
Not sure what your specific training looks like.
But different data screens can be pre-selected in the Suunto app:

Matija S

@Egika where do you find this in the app?

Egika

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Mff73

silly question (?) : S+ app is mandatory to give this zonesense insights ?
i might answer myself, but would need to be sure of the relations

My wife is using Suunto HR Belt with RR and not this new ZoneSense app --> i see this zone sense graphs for her recent activities.
I am using Polar VeritySense (without RR transmitted to Suunto i guess) --> i don’t see such zone sense graphs

RR belt mandatory, not S+app, right ?

taziden

@Mff73 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

RR belt mandatory, not S+app, right ?

Right

wmichi

I would have expected such a functionality from Polar, not from Suunto. Kudos for this!

I just did a 2:20h gravel ride at a low intensity level (base endurance). 80% in zone 1, 20% in lower zone 2 (the uphills). I was definitely not working hard, I was relaxed and not fatigued. But the S+ app showed me, that I was 1 hour anaerobic and 15min at vo2max. So I was curios what SA would display. According to SA, I was all the time in the aerobic zone. I am no expert, but according to the HR data, to my subjective feeling my recent training and my general feeling today, SA is correct.

I guess it’'s still early days for ZoneFuse and there might be some issues with the S+ app. What are the experiences of the testers? Does the S+ app align with the data displayed in SA after the workout? In my first test the data was completely different,

By the way, the UI of the S+ app is well made, good readability. I think this layout (or something similar) would also work great for structured workouts.

Any plans to combine ZoneFuse with structured workouts or with the intensity zone selection? Or using the ZoneFuse zones gauge instead of the HR gauge around the data screens (of course configurable, maybe even as an activity setting during workout)?

TrailEyes

@Mff73 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

RR belt mandatory, not S+app, right ?

The benefit of the S+ app is that that’s how you access real-time ZoneSense measurements during an activity (and availability limited to just the newest generation of sportwatches).

For post-activity analysis, no S+ app is needed to be enabled, only that you’ll have to wear a RR belt. So ZoneSense will be available after a (qualifying) workout ends even if you have a much older Suunto watch.

Josaiplu

Just would like to express here my surprise to see such good feature coming to our watches/App

It makes training easier and more efficient without relying to hardly defined zones that sometimes could fluctuate every day or so.

Schedule was perfect before I switch back to my polar H10 belt from verity sense few weeks ago and yesterday I had a big restaurant party with friends. I ran today and I found it harder than usual indeed and it was nicely reflected in the Zonesense detection

Also I would like to thanks Suunto for adding NGP as a data filed into the ZS app!! this is huge for trail getting NGP/HR and the ZS graph I have a complete overview of what i need for training

I second the request of @taziden that in a future update being able to use ZS zones instead of HR/PACE on all Watches activity screen

Suunto, once again, made my day

Freezer

Any information when will ZoneSense be available for Suunto Ocean?

Ze Stuart

@Egika I feel comfortable saying this has the potential to be fuckin’ rad. To put it in en-us. Supergeil, de, really quite something, in en-gb.

Amazing how much effort was put into the lecture series, 2h is a lot of content to produce!

I’m looking forward to comparing this to SMO2 data.

Edit: a seriously under-sung feature is that this works for swimming. Swimming receives so little attention for analytics, with its equivalent of FTP/VO2Max the CSS test being mostly as far as it goes. (Excluding Form, who are in their own special league.)