Suunto Ocean general discussion
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@kohjl th
Thanks you for the replay!!!
Waiting for any review for freedivers, but It could be a nice watch for ocasional freedive…
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@Yerai-Hernández-Díaz It’ll get the job done.
I just hope it’s not too much to ask for at least a surface interval alarm, or change alarm settings mid-dive, because even the cheap(er) and cheerful Suunto Zoop Novo can do that.
And then we can get into the more advanced features, like a variometer.
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Not really. For example ATMOS Mission 2, let’s you decide at the watch’s general settings which diving mode will be activated by default, if you dive without going first to a pre-dive screen.
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@Johnkokk My point was that automatic dive mode activation is a thing. For example, you don’t get automatic walk activation or automatic run activation unless you are using one of those activity trackers like Fitbit and even then, you don’t get to choose road run vs trail run.
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@Brainicus I see your point but the thing is that on land you can do everything(but dive). It would be a wild guess for the watch to choose the correct activity.
In the water however when you submerge the watch you can do either scuba or freedive, not hiking for example
So all suunto has to do, is put an option that will set which mode(freedive or scuba) will be activated by default if you SUBMERGE the watch in the water. There could be also an OFF option, so that nothing happens.
It’s what other diving computers do and it makes sense.
By the way if you ask me, if SUUNTO for some weird reason wants only one option for automatic mode, that should be freedive and not scuba in which anyway you have to set up lots of things and would make more sense that scuba should be activated through a pre-dive screen.
Anyway, i hope suunto gets notified for all these we are saying.
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@Johnkokk said in Suunto Ocean general discussion:
In the water however when you submerge the watch you can do either scuba or freedive, not hiking for example
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@Johnkokk I would guess there are still more scuba divers out there than free divers, especially considering the brand we are talking about. But more importantly, as some would say, Suunto products aren’t exactly known for their customizeability. You get what you get and you don’t get upset.
Besides, at the moment Ocean doesn’t have a dive planner, a compass, an ability to add custom dive screens or modify the fields on the main screen, nor does it have GF99 or SurfGF, nor Trimix that would be a standard gas for GUE even on 50m dives… Sadly, I’d guess being able to customize which dive mode to pick when one goes below the surface is very low on the list of priorities.
I have a beer that says we gonna see a sidemount support first
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Well if that’s the case for the scuba activity as well whith so many misses, then the hole situation is actually sad.
It is supposed to be a DIVING watch, and all the diving part (scuba and freedive), so far is poor (to put it polite).
I really want to keep hoping though.
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By the way has anyone noticed that when you have GPS enabled (at least for freediving), but maybe it is also for swimming, etc, that distance that you swam is way off in the suunto app ?
I did a couple of spearfishing sessions with gps enabled and at one time the app said i swam for 10 meters(!!!) and yesterday it said 400+ meters when a I swam at least twice as that. In both cases, the route is correctly marked on the map in the app, but the distance is completely off.
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@Brainicus Good points. Regarding dive planning, I tried to find out if the Suunto DM5 software works with the Ocean but no one seems to know. Would be good if someone with an Ocean could try it.
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@Alejandro dive planning should come to Suunto App, as far as I know.
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi Okay, good to know.
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@Alejandro said in Suunto Ocean general discussion:
@Brainicus Regarding dive planning, I tried to find out if the Suunto DM5 software works with the Ocean but no one seems to know.
Isn’t DM5 a desktop based software? If so, just like SuuntoLink of yore, it won’t work with any newer Bluetooth based watches. Even if Suunto wanted to update it for Ocean, given how sketchy Bluetooth stacks are on desktops, it would be a non-starter.
The best one could hope for is either relevant DM5 features make it over to Suunto app, or a new dive focused app (like Garmin ended up doing with Garmin Dive once they realized the depth of features expected in a properly executed dive log).
Here’s my read of the situation: Ocean is a diving equivalent of Spartan in the world of Ambits/Movescount. Perhaps, it won’t take multiple generations of devices before we arrive at diving Race, but anyone buying Ocean today should realize where things stand and adjust their expectations accordingly.
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Your read on the situation rings true – especially as I was an early adopter of the Spartan and had it for years, before finally getting a Race. Well noted.
Yes, DM5 is desktop-based and I used it with my EON steel, a Macbook and then a transfer over to Suunto app – well, before all the text in my DM5 somehow got completely mangled up and I can’t read anything at all now… So yes, I echo your hope: a proper, dedicated app for diving would be 1st prize. To be honest, I’m surprised that DM5 has not already been completely rewritten already given that Suunto has had a comprehensive range of dive computers for many years. But as isazi indicated, maybe Suunto plan to try and squeeze it all into the one app. Let’s see. I guess.
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@Alejandro said in Suunto Ocean general discussion:
But as isazi indicated, maybe Suunto plan to try and squeeze it all into the one app. Let’s see. I guess.
Let’s see, after more than 6 years in production Suunto app doesn’t have a notion of gear and gear tracking such as shoes, for example. Which you can totally track in Garmin or Strava, for example. And even in Stryd.
We still have one Bluetooth sensor per type. You can make a convoluted argument for having just one heart rate strap. But how are you going to deal with two first stages pods in sidemount, for example? Oops. Should people have one wetsuit and one mask too?
The requirements for gear tracking on dive side are far, far greater. Regs, tanks, BCDs, weights, fins, masks, wet- and dry-suits. You want to log tank pods and tanks used, so you can have your SAC rates. You want to keep track of dive buddies and dive masters. You want to track weights used on different dives, so you can fine-tune your buoyancy in specific conditions. Recent trend is to add certifications and certification specialty skills to specific dives, like deep, wreck or night. This is what MacDive has been doing and Garmin Dive added. And that’s just rec level scuba log. Throw in a nicety such as a map of diving locations, perhaps, a location database, a competent dive planner – and I’m starting to question how it’s gonna all get stuffed into a single app. Worse still, how that app would work for somebody who has activities on land, but also scuba dives, and wants to see both.
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@Brainicus I don’t have this watch - do you have one?
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@Egika Right, and can those multiple pods be linked to the same gas blend (hint: they can’t, neither can they be displayed side-by-side)?
Also, I’m seeing nothing in the current manual about naming the pods, would you mind sharing the reference?
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@Egika, even multiple “Power PODs”?
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@Brainicus said in Suunto Ocean general discussion:
@Alejandro said in Suunto Ocean general discussion:
But as isazi indicated, maybe Suunto plan to try and squeeze it all into the one app. Let’s see. I guess.
Let’s see, after more than 6 years in production Suunto app doesn’t have a notion of gear and gear tracking such as shoes, for example. Which you can totally track in Garmin or Strava, for example. And even in Stryd.
We still have one Bluetooth sensor per type. You can make a convoluted argument for having just one heart rate strap. But how are you going to deal with two first stages pods in sidemount, for example? Oops. Should people have one wetsuit and one mask too?
The requirements for gear tracking on dive side are far, far greater. Regs, tanks, BCDs, weights, fins, masks, wet- and dry-suits. You want to log tank pods and tanks used, so you can have your SAC rates. You want to keep track of dive buddies and dive masters. You want to track weights used on different dives, so you can fine-tune your buoyancy in specific conditions. Recent trend is to add certifications and certification specialty skills to specific dives, like deep, wreck or night. This is what MacDive has been doing and Garmin Dive added. And that’s just rec level scuba log. Throw in a nicety such as a map of diving locations, perhaps, a location database, a competent dive planner – and I’m starting to question how it’s gonna all get stuffed into a single app. Worse still, how that app would work for somebody who has activities on land, but also scuba dives, and wants to see both.
For gear tracking, use tags, they are much more versatile and will track an unlimited amount of gear. Tags are searchable so Suunto has gear tracking enabled, maybe not what you thought.
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@Brad_Olwin Sadly no. If I track shoes, I want to track distance on those shoes. I suppose you can use the summary report feature to search by tag and aggregate by year to get total distance… but it’s many steps for something Garmin, Strava, and Stryd give you instantly. They also warn you when mileage reaches end of life. Not to mention I can compare shoes in terms of how many miles I end up doing in which models, something you can’t do with the Summary report at all as it doesn’t support grouping by tag.
Likewise, my BPW has a 4 lbs steel plate, that counts as 4 lbs weight while a jacket BCD won’t have any. Sure I can track both via tags, but it wouldn’t let me answer a question of “how much weight I had with that setup?” Because a) there’s no way to track diving weights and b) you can’t specify some equipment like BCD has weight and it should be added to the total. Subsurface Dive Log does it quite intelligently.
The larger question though, an elephant in the room, isn’t really whether you can hack your way around with existing features like tags or comments. It’s whether you want to.
If Suunto is serious about maintaining their diving side of things, they would have to provide a DM5 level of competency in the app. And once they do, they might discover having a separate diving app might be cleaner and more efficient. Even for rec divers doing simple rec diving stuff.
