Rucking activity and trail running with backpack

Matúš

@Egika said in Rucking activity and trail running with backpack:

How could a solution look like that does not end up in doubling all activities for extra or reduced effort compared to the standard sport?

By changing every time your mass inside your profile settings?

Egika

@Matúš mass plays no role during swimming…

Matúš

@Egika, I think that during the Marathon Des Sables you do not have problems with swimming…

Egika

maybe the discussion is similar to the Ebike discussion.

Question: If I am training with extra load, the HR should be higher than without. The training load depends on the time spent in different HR zones, right?
So actually the training effect should be reproduced just fine without any extra setting?

dreamer_

And these trainnings are not something puntual like a windy day. You need months for this, day after day, running a lot slower, making very different and small steps. Not counting the weight lifting and sauna. This trainning is very specific because the self suficiency races are in fact different and specific.

Fenr1r

@Egika said in Rucking activity and trail running with backpack:

I am asking to step back three steps when looking at this and look at it from a meta perspective: How could a solution look like that does not end up in doubling all activities for extra or reduced effort compared to the standard sport?

Adding an option for additional weight to user-created sports modes only? Default value=0.

Or an S+ app?

Behind the scenes, the process would be, effectively, a temporary body weight increase only for the duration of the activity … so the results would need to be integrated back into the general health/coach/whatever so that the Training progress algorithm didn’t freak out.

Egika

@Matúš sorry, we are talking on different levels. I tried to take the idea of additional training effects and find a solution that applies to all other trainings with additional effects. At least I tried to make it clear.

And it does not really matter if you have these trainings every day or just 1 day in a month.

If you are not ready to discuss this on a general base and for other sports, then I’ll leave this topic. Sorry for bringing it up.

Matúš

@Egika said in Rucking activity and trail running with backpack:

If I am training with extra load, the HR should be higher than without. The training load depends on the time spent in different HR zones, right?
So actually the training effect should be reproduced just fine without any extra setting?

Good point but, absurdly, if you have already reached your max HR (or simply, you are training by means of HR zones), how are you able now to distinguish the presence, or not, of an extra load?

dreamer_

@Fenr1r perhaps and S+ application + custom sport mode it’s a good idea.
@Egika you mean something similar as what has been done with the complications of the watch faces, so you can customize the faces or the sports in this case according to some predefined parameters in the S+ app.

It would serve for the purpose I was talking about but in this case I like the idea of having the new workout mode by default because those races are an sport that already exist, that you can train and that you can race and compete. Personally, I think it also seems a good marketing thing for Suunto to say that the watch that has the longest battery duration of the market, has also created specific run modes for those specific ultra races.

Mauerwegler

As a first step to keep trainings with and without extra weight apart, you could tag the trainings with weight, like some people tag their equipment to track shoe usage. See https://forum.suunto.com/search?term=track gear&in=titlesposts