SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2

[Majkel Paszeko]

@duffman19 said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Had to get a run in to test the new features even though it’s a rest day (nearly tripped several times looking at the watch so much!).

Settings: Suunto Vertical, Trail Run, Performance battery mode, navigating route, SuuntoPlus Loop-Pace, Climb Guidance on, external HR belt.

Navigation:

• Turn-by-turn notification timing still hasn’t been updated. You still receive a notification for the NEXT turn when at the CURRENT turn. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind this??
• The new “tooth” window with upcoming info is great. The arrow icons are very tiny and maybe a shade too grey on the Vertical.
• However, what’s the point of the info in the “tooth” if it is completely covered by a full screen alert with info for the NEXT turn when you reach the CURRENT turn? It’s just confusing when you’re chugging along and reach a fork and the watch says “Turn Left” in giant letters when you really need to turn right. I know there’s a first alert before reaching the turn, but the second alert should correspond with the turn you are currently at. Please, please…
• When navigating a route backwards, the turn notifications now seem to correctly update! Lefts become rights. Rights become lefts. Straights stay… straight. It’s wonderful!

Climb Guidance:

• This works quite well. I like the simplicity.
• I did NOT receive pop-up notifications when approaching climbs. I had to navigate to the climb/altitude screen myself to view it. (Edit: This is expected behavior. Notifications are only for red “Climbs” and green “Descents,” and not orange “Uphill” or turquoise “Downhill”.)
• Climbs also reversed when navigating a route backwards! Ups became downs. Downs became ups. Wonderful!
• The expected ascents and descents were pretty far off (way short of what they actually were). This may be route specific or just bad background info for my region.

SuuntoPlus:

• The Loop-Pace app I was using did not work correctly, or at all, really. I normally wouldn’t use this while navigating a route, but I was trying to test everything at once.
• I think it marked laps, but I did not receive an on-screen notification with lap info. I did feel a buzz, but no verification of a lap marked. I ended up marking them manually instead.
• There may be a correlation with why I did not receive Climb notifications as well.

GNSS:

• I had a substantial GNSS error toward the end of 3 of 3 hill/loop repeats. You can see below where it decided to wander off. It added about .15 mile to my final distance. Took almost a mile to get back in line.
• AGPS was up-to-date and I “soaked” for a good 5-10 minutes prior to starting the activity.
• I had a similar error earlier this week, so probably not related to the update.
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Full screen alerts are most annoying thing about navigation, also those about getting out of track or getting back on track or the whole sequence of out/back/out/back/etc alerts… all one by one are covering map for so long so you’re unable to figure out where you are or how you could correct your course. It especially annoying when you can’t be pushing buttons to ack alerts over and over (i.e. while downhill mtb or backcoutry skiing)
I had a lots of hope in data tooth new feature, thinking they’ll use it to show navigation alerts in some shorter form only in this area so they won’t cover map anymore. But again hope led only to disapointment

[Josaiplu]

@Majkel-Paszeko don’t lose faith I’ve seen a review were it say that full screen notification will be fixed in a fix where the alert did not hide the whole screen https://youtu.be/8YhuJLdqEI0?si=2U0FZ1fmDgOiewrF (French reviewer) @2m58

[Kaiphi]

Since the update I have had the problem that my heart rate measurement stops. The LED is off and I have to restart the watch. Does anyone know this? I have the 9pp

[Egika]

@mikekoski490 said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

I ‘may’ be in the minority but on the prev firmware I hardly ever tapped the little icons to switch through different data on an hourly or daily basis.

I find the current update with the added options and detail loaded in much much better.

Actually you are not in the minority, just the people who prefer the status quo are louder and more prone to voice their opinion

It is a standard change process, that in this case came a little unprepared for most of the users.

[Danny poleg]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
After the last update, a small problem with the DI2 feature in SuuntoPlus was not fixed, it is still necessary to activate the sensor every training and perform a scan to locate it.

[Egika]

@Danny-poleg said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
After the last update, a small problem with the DI2 feature in SuuntoPlus was not fixed, it is still necessary to activate the sensor every training and perform a scan to locate it.

I think this has to be like this as it depends on how S+ connect to BT devices. The connection is not saved like other BT pods.
So S+ always need to reconnect every activity.

[thanasis]

Title : Bug with the new pause screen if you start moving while paused

Brief Description : while cycling I paused the exercise . I thought of pushing continue but It seems it didn’t . While I reached the end destination The watch showed me an indication that it detected movement and if I want to resume which I did and the watch returned to the previous screen . The watch showed the buttons of continue and stop . The bottom button did not stop the activity but increased the lap count continuously. Stoping the activity required to enter the menu for multi sport by long pressing the top button and then reverting to the previous screen

[Danny poleg]

@Egika
Strange, I connected my smart trainer to the watch once and I don’t need to renew the connection before each workout and in my opinion electric bikes are the same

[Marton Attila]

@thanasis said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Title : Bug with the new pause screen if you start moving while paused

Brief Description : while cycling I paused the exercise . I thought of pushing continue but It seems it didn’t . While I reached the end destination The watch showed me an indication that it detected movement and if I want to resume which I did and the watch returned to the previous screen . The watch showed the buttons of continue and stop . The bottom button did not stop the activity but increased the lap count continuously. Stoping the activity required to enter the menu for multi sport by long pressing the top button and then reverting to the previous screen

I confirm this. To work around this, when movement is detected I just hit “stay paused” and then resume the activity and it works. Or you can pause 2x times/resume 2x times and the “visual bug” disappears.

This only occurs after movement is detected. And if you are in the city… this can happen often.

[ggrego]

Bonjour à tous depuis la mise ma suunto vertical solaire consomme énormément de batterie environ 6% par jour et je reçois des messages batterie faible alors que la batterie et à 78% je l’ai redémarrer et était mais rien y fait suis-je le seul à avoir ce bug merci

[Egika]

@Danny-poleg said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

@Egika
Strange, I connected my smart trainer to the watch once and I don’t need to renew the connection before each workout and in my opinion electric bikes are the same

Is the smart trainer also connecting to an S+ or did you connect it as a bike pod in the connectivity settings?

[fondueaufromage]

Since the update, I no longer have sleep tracking on 9PP. Someone else noticed this ?

[pilleus]

@fondueaufromage said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Since the update, I no longer have sleep tracking on 9PP. Someone else noticed this ?

No, accurate as before the update.

[Darren Loftas]

What a disastrous update.

I have a watch face I didn’t want which the watch defaults continues to default too. Cannot change by touch when I do recover my old face like you used to be able to. Did a warm up today and then on the start line for a race and my watch goes blank and goes into safe mode.

I was a loyal customer of Suunto for years but got increasingly frustrated with this type of software issue. Finally came back with the vertical titanium and here we go again.

Come on Sunnto you can (and should) do much better. They will be asking us to manually wind our watches next!

One very frustrated customer.

[Antoine]

Is route synchronization also quite long for you ? For me it takes time. Due to new climb guidance perhaps?

[GiPFELKiND]

Had very scary TSS and other values today… Was swimming in the sea actually and suddenly after this Look… 🥴🥴🥴 Someone Something like this!? Whats going in? TSS Yesterday about 700, ATL 104, CTL 102, TSB about -55. But look on the watch graph today

[thanasis]

@Marton-Attila said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

@thanasis said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Title : Bug with the new pause screen if you start moving while paused

Brief Description : while cycling I paused the exercise . I thought of pushing continue but It seems it didn’t . While I reached the end destination The watch showed me an indication that it detected movement and if I want to resume which I did and the watch returned to the previous screen . The watch showed the buttons of continue and stop . The bottom button did not stop the activity but increased the lap count continuously. Stoping the activity required to enter the menu for multi sport by long pressing the top button and then reverting to the previous screen

I confirm this. To work around this, when movement is detected I just hit “stay paused” and then resume the activity and it works. Or you can pause 2x times/resume 2x times and the “visual bug” disappears.

This only occurs after movement is detected. And if you are in the city… this can happen often.

This is quite annoying though .

[Danny poleg]

It would be really nice and useful if the four stages of sleep analysis that are in the Race would also be in the vertical

[The_77]

Some feedback on the navigation and climb stuff having used the functionality today

First off, massive improvement. Map screen with distance to go to turn very useful, distance left on elevations screen very useful, along with the distance left per climb segment time (uphill/downhill/flat etc) - all great. Took a couple segments to work out that AVG (grade) % is actually the remaining elevation % gradient, not that of the whole segment. Can’t decide how useful that is but I see the purpose. Also negative gradients should say -% for neatness sake.

The refresh rate of data in climb segments is a little slow, the metres climbed/descended and those to go don’t refresh at equal speeds, a bit jarring.

As for turn by turn notifications, I’ve had two thoughts whilst out, which I think are reasonably elegant solutions, one definitely possible and one maybe less so.

So currently we have on the map screen the tooth with the distance to waypoint/turn. I know that it’s possible to have scrolling data fields from multiple S+ apps, so my thought was, in the last xm (Suunto decision) to have it scroll between distance to go and what is coming up - a little arrow with the direction to go at the turn, or the name, or the symbol if it’s waypoint symbol. Then, at the turn/waypoint it defaults to only the direction/symbol for 5s, and then goes back to distance to the next waypoint.

That’s the easy bit. My further proposal, to stop full screen notifications for turns/waypoints coming up, is to use the tooth and the UI we have effectively. Every screen you set up currently has the tooth at the bottom (except S+ apps and the elevation graph). My proposal would be to override the information in the tooth for xm (100m or so) before the turn in the same way as previously described, have that behaviour as above and then return after the set waypoint/turn to normal. So what normally might be pace, changes to the direction distance to turn, and then back again.

This approach would prevent need for switching to nav screen purely for turns, and would only apply on routes - and might be impossible to implement. An idea though.

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Finally had the bugs previously mentioned in the thread with the dot at the end of the climb segment when starting the segment, and also I had a downhill segment that thought it was an uphill.

See below:

[duffman19]

@The_77 When it showed uphill instead of downhill, were you on an overlapping section of the route? I’m trying to figure out if that is the cause.