SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2

enriqueescoms

@Brad_Olwin said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

I believe you! It has just been a long time since I used that firmware. I have an extra 9PP I will keep on this firmware. To get the extra map functions and climb guidance on the newer watches I think the trade off is worth it. Unfortunately, not likely to change on the watch with no maps. It isn’t that bad to cycle to another screen.

Oops, well, if it was a deliberate decision and not a bug, it would seem like a poorly optimized approach, at the very least. Because if I only have three buttons and one has no function in the short press, it means that only 83% of the capacity is used.

Obviously we can deal with it, but I think it is quite cumbersome to have to cycle two screens (not just one) until we reach one where we can stop the activity.

With all due respect, and from my point of view, it is a very unfortunate implementation.

DMytro

@Durri I think that’s average cycling power per interval.

EzioAuditore

@Ivo-Smolis They removed it because people have been complaining about non customisable watch faces. So now that the watch faces are customisable, people complain about the ‘old tap and switch’ The only way they could bring it back is if they enable customisation via the app. Since if you customise the complication what others will need to be added to it? How many? And all sorts of problems coming with the 2 different ways of doing it.

Highlands

@Highlands said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

My SR didn’t log any sleep data after updating the watch last night. No sleep report this morning. Sleep tracking and HRV logging settings are on and haven’t changed after the update. After the update itself I have rebooted the device by holding the upper button for 12 seconds.

A second night after updating. The issues didn’t reproduce. All normal with sleep tracking.

Iggge

@EzioAuditore can’t be easy for Suunto developers. Always something that people think is wrong.

Only thing I want now from the watch is better maps, and maybe some more work with the step tracking. Other than that the watch is awesome:)
Best update so far

EzioAuditore

@Iggge It cannot be easy to do anything these days not only SW People are more stressed than ever.
One best example that happened recently to me:

Hiking in the Alps enjoying the beautiful nature I started the watch with navigation guidance since first time there. It was me and 3 buddies (all with Garmins).
Every couple minutes they were constantly checking the watches bragging oh we climbed 600m ascent with this speed with that and so on.
In the meantime I maybe checked it 3, 4 times during 2000m ascent just to make sure I am on the right path and check my HR.
We arrived at the first peak (2007m). Oh look my garmin says 1978m just 30m off, the second one ha mine says 1987 so I am better.
I didn’t even check the watch but after ‘insulting’: ok lets see your beloved Suunto… and after I told them let me enjoy the view and after I grasp everything in I check it promise.
They: Ok Suunto Zen guy now its the time to check it
2007m I say
What that cannot be. Lets see.
Surely the watch was showing the same attitude as the marked height
One of them went strait and bought Race.
He’s still struggling to leave the social aspect of Garmin (badges, competition with groups and friends)
I always tell him: see what you’ve become slaves to the numbers

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@EzioAuditore said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

see what you’ve become slaves to the numbers

And that’s why I hope the spirit of Suunto won’t change into the race (pun not intended) for features.

EzioAuditore

@Łukasz-Szmigiel Me too. I was critical of them too at some point my vertical was not usable due to mid activity crashes. but after Nov updates smooth sailing. And in order to support my fellows SW engineers and EU based company I got the: Wing, Race and now waiting for the Ocean (I had some bonus I wanted to share )

Highlands

Can’t we have only “Baro” on top of the graph instead of trying to fit the whole word “Barometer”?

Ivo Smolis

@EzioAuditore Oh people will always complain beacuse different people want different things - can’t please everyone. But there are some things which can be made in a way which COULD please everyone. I really don’t see a problem with having both - why not allow the user to pick 3-5 they wish to cycle? People complained about lack of customization (so not being able to choose which complications appear where) and not about the tap-cycling functionality itself. No need to do it on the Suunto app either - with this update they showed us that it’s perfectly possible to allow complications customization directly on the watch itself - just allow us to choose which we want to tap-cycle and Bob’s your uncle. Don’t want any complications? Leave it blank then (as it’s possible now) Don’t want tap-cycling? Just choose one. Want tap-cycling? Just choose more than one. Easy-peasy. Of course it’s more work for the software enginneers but I don’t believe it would be much more complicated to code than the features they just enabled

isazi

@Ivo-Smolis no one said this will not happen, BTW. Customization of watchfaces was one of the most requested features, this is the first implementation, Suunto will gather feedback and act accordingly (as they did in the past).

Ivo Smolis

@isazi geez I’m not bashing the update - I think it’s great. You’re talking about acting based on customer feedback - and I’m doing nothing more than giving them feedback

EzioAuditore

@Ivo-Smolis My point was it would be difficult to choose more than one with the current customisation. you go and change one and how will you add the other 2, 3 on the same field that you want to tap and change? One way is you chose one and have a small number 1, than the next with 2 etc.

cheetah694

@EzioAuditore The modern approach in user experience that at least Apple currently sticks to, is that the user basically shouldn’t even notice an update if they choose to do so. The fact that I woke up and found my favorite watch face broken is not good no matter how you look at it. A way to overcome it would be to keep the default behavior if a watch face is not customized, that is allow clicking through. But if the user chooses to customize, then they are free to put static complications into predefined slots. That’s it, that’s one extra menu row Revert to defaults, nothing more is expected.

isazi

@Ivo-Smolis yes, and I was replying, I don’t think I sounded aggressive or anything, or assumed you were bashing anything. I was just telling you that this is the first time we have customization of the watchface, it is version 1.0, like everything else in software it may change at some point if a better solution is found.

Ivo Smolis

@EzioAuditore I see your point and agree - allowing the user to not only customize the complications but also in which order they cycle (directly on the watch) would be difficult. But allowing us to do it on the app would be one way of doing it - just like with widgets rearranging. Or maybe cycle in order in which you choose which complications to display (so let’s say you tap “steps” then “date” then “seconds” - so they will cycle “steps” -> “date” -> “seconds”). Just not remove the functionality altogether

Ivo Smolis

@isazi You are right - no hurt feelings and sorry if I sounded like overracting Anyways I think the update itself is great and a step in good direction

isazi

@Ivo-Smolis I think Suunto will have surveys and so on in the future to gather feedback. I wanted to also open a poll here in the forum, but decided against it to not give a false sense of accomplishment to people voting, this is still a community forum and it is not the official way to contact Suunto directly, or the only way Suunto gathers feedback.

MKPotts

@enriqueescoms said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

With all due respect, and from my point of view, it is a very unfortunate implementation.

It’ll be obvious from my previous posts that I 100% agree with you!
With the many software updates in my time using Suunto watches, some changes I like, some I don’t, some I don’t care either way. Everyone has different priorities and any change will nearly always please some people and upset others. This is the first time Suunto have removed what I consider (but clearly others don’t/won’t) to be a basic functionality of a sports watch - the ability to pause the recording with the same button press in any screen - and from the feedback so far it appears it is intentional rather than an error with the new button implementation.
It appears there are now three functions competing for two operations of the top button when in navigation: pause; map zoom; and multisport selection. Leading to one of two implementations:

single press to pause, long press to enter map zoom
single press to zoom, long press to enter multisport

The button functionality on the 9PP in navigation clearly needs to be updated because the back function doesn’t work and top button single press appears to do nothing. It appears option 2 is the likely outcome, all I can do is wait to find out and until then I’ll use my 9 Baro for races that don’t need the extra battery life and fast charging.

isazi

@MKPotts it has been already reported to Suunto that, at least, watches should have consistent behavior, meaning all watches with buttons have the same UX, and all watches with crowns have the same UX. This is not the case at the moment, because Vertical and S9PP have differences in the navigation screen. Hopefully this is made coherent with a future upgrade.