Turn by turn notifications not working on imported tracks

dreamer_

@isazi thanks a lot!!

Josaiplu

@isazi thanks !! It’s not a blocker but indeed an appreciated feature for some runs

If I understand you well it should also works with Strava and how for competition organiser, will be awesome if it is a bug that could be fixed

@dreamer_ for Komoot it strange it s recommended quite often for drawing gpx I’ve never try it before as it miss heat map but it have nice features I will try to see if I could find out why gpx are changed even if you tell it to don’t do it. Thanks for your feedback

dreamer_

@Josaiplu I will also try with different tracks. Thanks!

Mff73

@dreamer_
I may think for my own tests, that Suunto can handle gpx containing Tbt instructions, only when they are “pushed” from 3rd party platforms, but not with direct import in app.
This, Komoot, Runalyze, QS (for those I know), and Runalyze + QS does not change original gpx, and just push it to Suunto.
I may be corrected, for sure.

dreamer_

@Mff73 Just to confirm that the Komoot method does not seem to work for me. It seems I’m getting the same issue with different tracks. I understand @Josaiplu is also having that problem with Komoot.
Perhaps there’s a problem with my tracks, but after saving the uploaded gpx, my tracks are changed. I’ll try with a different zone this weekend.

I have also tried uploading a gpx to Suunto using the Runanalyze interface. I see the track in the Suunto App, but TBT notifications are not enabled. I need to learn a bit more about this plattform.

Mff73

@dreamer_
would you share one of problematic gpx ?

Runalyze is more aimed to be an analytical plateform for your trainnings, getting your activities synced FROM other ones (like Suunto). It brings a certain amount of features, including push routes to Suunto, but it is not bringing any “gpx modifications” not “planification features”. Suunto should treat the received gpx according to its content. As far as i understand and tested.

dreamer_

@Mff73 Attached a gpx file recorded with a Coros Pace 3 a while ago. GPX File

When I upload the track to Komoot and Syncinc then with the Suunto App, I see the TBT notifications in the Suunto App and the map of the track seems also good. But when I test the track with the watch (inside Trail Running), TBT are not ok and the map is also wrong. I will do further tests this weekend.

Thanks a lot.

dreamer_

I’m thinking that the route starts and ends at the same place. It is a route until a point and then a return using the same going track. Perhaps TBT and route is wrong because of that?

isazi

@dreamer_ okay maybe you need to help us here a little. So you can get TbT notifications on the watch but those are wrong, is that the issue?

isazi

@dreamer_ the case you describe would not work with TbT in general (it works with Garmin because they have routable maps). The turns are added by the app (or a third-party service) to the route, so if you plan the route from A to B but then walk it from B to A in the latter case you are going to get all the TbT notifications from A to B, not B to A.

dreamer_

@isazi thanks a lot. What is strange is that the map is also changed after Kommot. Usually when you are on a race, the return track is not the same, so it’s probably ok for me. But there’s a part that is always shared because start and end places are usually the same.

That track was recorded with a Pace 3 and as far as I remember, TBT was working pretty nice in that watch without doing anything.
I cannot confirm since I don’t have that watch now but I used navigation and I don’t remember this issue either.

isazi

@dreamer_ I may be able to do some more testing during the weekend and send feedback to Suunto.

dreamer_

@isazi thanks!!

duffman19

@dreamer_ Is the problem perhaps that you are using a GPX file created from a recorded activity and not one generated by a mapping service? I would think that TBT would need to be added using underlying road and trail info from the mapping service (SA or Komoot or whatever). The raw GPX from the watch does not include this info.

I usually use Komoot to create routes and haven’t had any issues with TBT after syncing to SA and then the Vertical. You could try recreating the route on Komoot using their route creation tool and see it that gives you better results.

dreamer_

@duffman19 thanks but that is not valid. Most races provide you the gpx track and I’d like to use the track provided by them. I think the problem can be what @isazi told me in the last posts since I can see the TBT notifications but are totally wrong. I’ll try a one way track this weekend to confirm if that’s the issue

Mff73

@dreamer_
as @duffman19 wrote it, or to paraphrase, gpx file must contain the TBT instructions in it.
I don’t know how other brand are managing this, but as far as I see it in Suunto, there is no “route/routing” calculation from a gpx containing just the track (which is a bit of logic).
So, if your races are not providing gpx files with TBT, you won’t be able to get them with just a “simple import”.

dreamer_

@Mff73 I was remembering that I also had the Garmin Instinct 2x, which does not even have maps. I’m pretty sure TBT notifications were working perfectly in that watch without doing anything special on imported tracks, the same as with the Coros Pace 3. Someone should check that if possible.

But TBT notifications are really there after the Komoot workaround. I think It’s probably more about what @isazi was explaining about the route I uploaded here.

I’ll try this weekend so I can provide more feedback to see if it can be sorted out with different tracks.

isazi

I thought it was possible to edit an imported track and enable TbT (the toggle is there) but it does not seem to be working at the moment. Toggle should be removed or the feature added, as it is now is misleading.

dreamer_

@isazi here’s also the official track of the UTMB.
https://montblanc.utmb.world/races/UTMB and the track of the Hardrock 100: https://hardrock100.com/hardrock-course.php

TBT notifications are not there when the gpx is directly imported when using official tracks of well known races. So it’s not an issue of my gpx files. But, I think the Komoot workaround is probably valid when not repeating the track (same return as the go)

isazi

@dreamer_ I assume there is a mismatch between the track and the underlying routable map, so TbT points can only be generated if the track is snapped onto the map objects that are routable, that’s why going via Komoot works.