Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Luís-Pinto said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

Just don’t consider data sync between platforms as feature.

Thanks @Luís-Pinto can I ask what do you mean with :

Just don’t consider data sync between platforms as feature.
?

Luís Pinto

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i don’t consider data travelling that should be on a cloud (like moves history+routes+definitions of person+data customization fields) as a feature. What i want to say is, live data unity in whatever platform that you use (MCweb+MCapp+SA).

Egika

I am using both the beta app and Movescount on an iPhone 7.
Here my anwers:
I sync to the App first, wait, until it is fully done, then force close the app and open the MC app to sync there. No problems so far.

Did you have any crashes?
–> Yes, my watch crashes if I stop one app before it has finished syncing and open the other one.
Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
–> I refrained from adjusting sport modes in the app and have this left to MC so far.
Did you get messed regarding the route sync?
–> I have also refrained from syncing routed from the app and keep using MC for this until there will be an approved solution…
How would you feel if you could use both apps?
–> I would like to only use one app that would sync to the other internally. Lacking this feature is the only reason for me using both apps atm.

Did you have any crashes?
Crashes of the apps no.
2 crashes of the watch, maybe related to the new firmware

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
Since, I am afraid to actually break MC syncing from the cable, I did not use any new features from SA.

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?
Again, no new routes from SA but I was pleasantly surprised to see (and be able to delete) my routes from MC in SA.

How would you feel if you could use both apps?
That would be so great, for once, I could then recommend SA to alot of people, since it is superior from MC app but has no strava intergration.
Also, it would allow me to play with SA without fear of the consquences.
One reason for not using the SA new features, was not knowing about the unofficial workaround.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Yannis-Belouris thanks.
Since Strava will come this and next week (or even earlier) would you then this:

since it is superior from MC app but has no strava intergration.

Be quite different?

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

@Yannis-Belouris thanks.
Since Strava will come this and next week (or even earlier) would you then this:

since it is superior from MC app but has no strava intergration.

Be quite different?

If this comes, then the only thing for a meaningful analysis still missing from SA is the display per custom or interval laps.
And I am thinking of a friend. I am more of a web based guy and I will always prefer my 27" monitor to see and analyse.
Still, simultaneous SA and MC would be the bees knees.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Using both after having discovered SA background sync via PhoneGap for certain activity types is somewhat lacking (treadmill gets sync’ed as unspecified, with everything but summary and heart rate data lost). To answer your questions:

No crashes, but had my new shiny S9 freeze when both SA and MC apps were opened and MC tried to sync with it for the first time
No confusion as far as sports modes / routes are concerned. I try to read the warnings
No, played with it extensively in SA, but haven’t synced (thanks for the warnings!)
As a temporary solution it is acceptable, but things need to be straightened out

Technically, even though I absolutely love what I’m seeing in new builds of SA, there are several things that prevent me from completely switching to it:

Sync: I’m not using Strava or Training Peaks, but would like to send my data to Polar and Sports Tracks. PhoneGap accomplishes that and I’m fine with sync via PhoneGap, but as mentioned above, it’s broken due to the limitations of the legacy backend platform for SA
Routes: there are some MC features for route building like close the start point or loop back that are missing me thinks; also, routing isn’t as tight as in MC, I had some corners cut, which could represent a problem for trails, especially when there are multiple unmarked ones

The rest, like workout planner, I can live without for now.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@NickK said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Using both after having discovered SA background sync via PhoneGap for certain activity types is somewhat lacking (treadmill gets sync’ed as unspecified, with everything but summary and heart rate data lost). To answer your questions:

No crashes, but had my new shiny S9 freeze when both SA and MC apps were opened and MC tried to sync with it for the first time

No confusion as far as sports modes / routes are concerned. I try to read the warnings

No, played with it extensively in SA, but haven’t synced (thanks for the warnings!)

As a temporary solution it is acceptable, but things need to be straightened out

Technically, even though I absolutely love what I’m seeing in new builds of SA, there are several things that prevent me from completely switching to it:

Sync: I’m not using Strava or Training Peaks, but would like to send my data to Polar and Sports Tracks. PhoneGap accomplishes that and I’m fine with sync via PhoneGap, but as mentioned above, it’s broken due to the limitations of the legacy backend platform for SA

Routes: there are some MC features for route building like close the start point or loop back that are missing me thinks; also, routing isn’t as tight as in MC, I had some corners cut, which could represent a problem for trails, especially when there are multiple unmarked ones

The rest, like workout planner, I can live without for now.

Would you be fine with an OpenAPI from SA that you can eg connect to IFTT etc? (perhaps till partners also help?)

Also in regards to routes there are enhancements coming next up

jthomi

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

Did you have any crashes?

I stopped using both apps some time ago. Two weeks ago I got the new iPhone and I thought I could try the parallel use again. I had crashes before because I too often used them parallel in a tight time frame. Now I let some hours pass and have no problems with crashes or anything.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?

Haven’t tried that yet, simply because I did not know that that works…

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?

See above.

How would you feel if you could use both apps?

I’d love to use both, since there is no way the SuuntoApp syncs to the Movescount website, and I think we all agree that the data shown on the Movescount website is the best for our needs, may they also vary from one user to the other a lot.
Strava is great and all, but as a long-time user of Movescount since 2010 or 2011 I am so used to see my moves there, analyse them and plan my routes.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I suppose Open API works. Perhaps, I can also get an account on Strava. It becomes harder and harder to avoid it. Technically, even GPX export would work as long as it contains all data.

Does anybody know if Endomondo knows how to treat additional data streams like EPOC, temperature, power that S9 is capturing? I don’t think they display them, but as long as they pass them on – I used to have an Endomondo account too.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@NickK GPX cannot contain advanced data or is structured well to support complex things eg lap pause times and more. TCX can even be worse, FIT allows developer fields that every service could read eg EPOC etc.

Dušan Ković

I’m using MC on PC through Suunto link just so I can use maps to create or use other users routes. I’m not using MC app on phone. If SA adds feature to import routes or use other available routes I probably wouldn’t use Movescount at all.

Did you have any crashes?
Not really, SA crashed maybe a couple of times, but that’s insignificant.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
I just tried SportModes customization in SA beta, but I had to reset watch because of Routs import from MC web

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?
Yup, I tried feature in beta, but had to factory reset S9 just so I can do route sync from MC web

How would you feel if you could use both apps?
I would switch to SA and forget about MC the moment it adds just a couple of features that I miss. Really like the SA, it would be great if the development was faster.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yes, you are right about GPX. Totally forgot it was kind of stripped down and more navigation centric. I suppose if push comes to shovel, I’d go with Strava and hope for the best.

Brad_Olwin

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

Hi there great community here!

I NEED you help and experience.

As you know once you use the “new” features of the Suunto app such as sport mode customization and route sync you get disconnected from Movescount (You have a message+button consent).

However, I know that a lot of use do still use both apps in parallel. That is done by syncing first with the Movescount app (even if you have disconnected as said above) and then with the Suunto app.

That kinda goes against the rules but that is ok. We are all doing this including me.

The reason of this post is to know and collect your experience when you do that.

Did you have any crashes?

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?

How would you feel if you could use both apps? (Provided that Suunto app has Strava, Training peaks, Endomondo, GPX import, Heatmaps for all and new sharing options)

P.S. The reason behind this is to be able to perhaps lift this “restriction” as it has costed a lot of trouble, so I really need your feedback ideas and so on.

Thanks a lot and please focus on the subject. No structured intervals posts please

No crashes
If I customize Sportmodes in SA they are replaced by MC sport modes and lost from SA. MC sport modes dominate
Routes from MC and SA appear present
Once Training Peaks is implemented I will quit using MC app but…I would like planned moves to come to SA as I use this feature.
We need GPX import into SA…this is critical!

If the web MC had upload capabilities it would make it easier as some of us like to keep data in MC.

My experience is iOS only.

Jose Luis

I was waiting for a post like this for a long time. Thank you very much @ Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

I used MC and SA at the same time. The truth is that I reviewed data in MC and others in SA. They were a little complicated but I managed.

Accept the new functions to be able to use SA to see how I could work with it alone and hoping that from that moment the updates of SA would be faster and that they would be adding the functionality that if there was in MC.

Did you have any crashes?
Not the truth is that SA has been stable for a long time and works well.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
Not all right. Just point out that I would like to have some more screen like the graphic cardiac frequency, but it is not the post.

Did you get messed about the route sync?
Yes, I did it and it works well. But it is very complicated to make a route in the phone (on touch when you make manual entries), and does not allow to add routes through GPX

How would you feel if you could use both apps?
If you add to SA all that you indicate MC should be lost little by little. Only totals, statistics or values such as VO2 would be missing.

I would appreciate a Web access enough to be more comfortable working with SA.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos thank you for listening to us. I know that we make it complicated because we all want more and faster and in IT this is very difficult.

jsuarez

Hi there, Dimitrios!

Thanks for running this poll. Find my answers below.

Did you have any crashes?

Yes, but only when I have one of the apps running and I launch the other one. As soon a the newly launched app tries to connect to my Spartan Sport WHR Baro the watch crashes and “soft resets” (the screen goes blank and almost immediately starts again with lost location -i.e. it does not show time of sunset, etc.-, but everything else is not lost, such as moves’ log).

The crash is 100% reproducible. If that matters, I am not using beta, but regular available-to-all iPhone build.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?

Other than above, no other problems that I have identified as such.

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?

I saved a few routes with SA’s route editor and marked them for upload to the watch, while I also kept a few of them in Movescount, also marked as usable by the watch. That was back around July 2018 and both syncs worked ok.

Then I read here on the forum that syncing with SA disabled route sync with Movescount, but I am not sure if that was in force only recently. So, given that I ended with all the routes in the watch (both MC’s and SA’s) I am not sure if I used “parallel syncing” before the restriction came into force…

Regarding routes, I like the SA new route editor but for me using MC and its web interface is the key value-added feature of my specific Suunto watch (maybe this service was never considered for Suunto 3, but it was for my watch when I bought it and is an integral part of the “features I bought” with the watch -yeah, I know probably the terms of use of MC don’t say so, but that is my consumer point of view-), so I don’t like the restriction.

How would you feel if you could use both apps? (Provided that Suunto app has Strava, Training peaks, Endomondo, GPX import, Heatmaps for all and new sharing options)

I understand you are also referring to syncing with Stryd, which I use. So I will just asume that it will sync at some time in the future in my answer below.

I would like using both apps, given that SA gets some additional features MC lacks (sleep tracking mainly). But these extra features are not key to me and, if I have to choose, I would exclusively go for the MC ecosystem.

Notwithstanding the above, should SA automatically upload moves to the MC backend, then I would be happy just using SA, as the MC app alone does not offer any value to me -I would still be able to use the outstanding MC web service-.

If you need some clarification on the above, please, just let me know.

Kind regards,

José

Armin S.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

Hi there great community here!

I NEED you help and experience.
…

Here is my answer to your question from this morning:
I read a lot of crashes here in the forum and that’s why I did not use MC as an app. I only used SA and pushed some workouts via RunGap to MC-Web.

That’s certainly not much help for your specific questions. But at least a short information for you.

P.S. SA-Web would be great!

suzzlo

Sorry just SA installed on phone. MC Android app is totally useless for sync, so I use cable.

~~If SA could connect…~~ ups sorry just use of 2 apps

BR

borgelkranz

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

First of all: thank you for this. You are doing a great job of managing this community.

Did you have any crashes?

No. The only trouble I had on LineageOS was, that I could not force the apps to stop without a third-party app, SdMaid in my case.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?

I was confused by the warning message and did not try it out. From my perspective as a technical writer, Suunto makes the category mistake to project internal technical limitations onto the user.

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?

Yes.

How would you feel if you could use both apps? (Provided that Suunto app has Strava, Training peaks, Endomondo, GPX import, Heatmaps for all and new sharing options)

OK at best. To elaborate: I want a stable service that works well and provides all the old stuff (at minimum). An app solution on a mobile device definiatly is NOT sufficient for me. I want to be able to work on a big screen, with mouse/keyboard.

Above that: Stryd is missing on your list. As are training plans.

azeanic

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Parallel Use Of Movescount + Suunto app:

Did you have any crashes?
Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
Did you get messed regarding the route sync?
How would you feel if you could use both apps? (Provided that Suunto app has Strava, Training peaks, Endomondo, GPX import, Heatmaps for all and new sharing options)

Did you have any crashes?
Not that I’ve seen.

Did you get any confusions about what SportModes come from Movescount and what from the Suunto app?
Not sure, haven’t delved into it fully yet.

Did you get messed regarding the route sync?
I use it more on Movescount than SA

How would you feel if you could use both apps? (Provided that Suunto app has Strava, Training peaks, Endomondo, GPX import, Heatmaps for all and new sharing options)
I do use both apps but I think SA might be way forward. Having said that, SA lacks the integration of Movescount which is key to setup of the watch and all that. Plus, it integrates with Strava and Training Peaks. I do feel it’s confusing for new, less seasoned Suunto users to have to use two apps because SA isn’t full-featured yet.