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@solid_dd said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
The last is 2.4.14 or at least 2.4 something. Good morning typing on the road.
The last fw adds the first step of a context engine that understands what you are doing eg biking or driving or washing dishes or having the watch in a backpack.
Its the first step to this engine and I am interested in your results.
does the engine come to S9 as well?
I can agree with @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos , I wish the S9 did not count steps…screens and resources I don’t use or need, Except when I have one run with ~200,000 steps…that was a kind of fun statistic!
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos so option on/off is easy to put. Who wants use it, who don’t just put off. Simple. No discussion. All happy!
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos but why not put a SF3 features on S9 also? They could be useful sometimes
they cannot hurt anyways My wife has SF3 it has Fitness level, resources, sleep quality. It would be cool to see that stuff on S9.
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@Dušan-Ković So if you think so, go away friend. Ask for that in Suunto support. Don’t give up. Suunto prefers commercial product segmentation. It’s fair. But don’t give up. We just want to put Suunto products near of God!
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@PC_et said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
Update: after upgrading to FW 2.4.14 it seems that the amount of steps decreased significantly and is closer to real number but I need more time to confirm (upgraded yesterday)
So after one day of observation: I woke up with 35 steps, which I’m pretty sure didn’t take during night
But still there is a progress, because before upgrade there were like 150-200 steps… In terms of overall day count - there is like even 40% less steps. Which in my opinion is good, closer to real amount. So the context engine seems to do the job 
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@Dušan-Ković said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
ut why not put a SF3 features on S9 also? They could be useful sometimes they cannot hurt anyways
Market Segmentation Probably
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The latest update is in my opinion a huge step in the right direction. I also saw that the watch now shows the calories for the day on the steps view (I haven’t noticed that one in the past or at least haven’t click the alternative information button in that view).
I tested it a little bit last night and the step count is far more accurate now. Now if only there was historical heart rate data (ya I know it’s coming), I will have have no big complains and will recommend it to friends.
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@PC_et 35 steps while sleeping is more than acceptable, huge improvement. My suuntp baro records 400~ steps during the night and I am not lunatic
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I’m with the latest FW version I woke up with 500-600 steps 3th day in a row
Also apparently I’m sleeping about 5 hours a day on average so I guess I’m sleep walking the other 3 hours, and this is where the steps come from… -
@Svetlin-Tonchev said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
I’m with the latest FW version I woke up with 500-600 steps 3th day in a row
Also apparently I’m sleeping about 5 hours a day on average so I guess I’m sleep walking the other 3 hours, and this is where the steps come from…hahaha!
Ok I would suggest a watch reset but you might not want todo that.
Perhaps too much tossing arround? Are the sleep times ok?Community Manager / Admin @Suunto
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
tossing arround
Im tossing arround a lot. this is why I would expect not to count steps during the night (i set up my sleep hours). I already reset the watch, will see if the results differ.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
@Svetlin-Tonchev said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:
… Are the sleep times ok?For me the start of sleep time often is one to two hours late.
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I had opposite situation couple of times - for example 3 hours less. But found the coincidence - it happened only if i stood up for a while (during the night) and than got back to sleep. Probably watch recorded it as wake up time.
Other issue: I was at the swimming pool (25 meters) 3 times lately and decided to use swimming option (perfect for someone like me: "how many pools have I already done…?) . Every time first pool was counted as 50 meteres. So I ended up with 25 meters too much.
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@Armin-S how do you know exactly when you went to sleep? Laying on the bed is not sleep
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@SlaSh That’s exactly the problem! If I read in bed for half an hour, the S3F can not cope.
Let’s insert the function/button “start sleeping” (and then gives extra eg 15…30 minutes). The automatic does not work unfortunately.
BTW: The automatic recognition of a workout was indeed already discussed here in another thread and considered not useful. That’s exactly how it is with the start of sleeping.
Sorry for the duplicate entry, but I slept very little - according to my S3F
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@Armin-S start sleep wouldn’t be true sleep as you wont get into sleep after pressing the button immediately, so kinda sleep button is pointless…
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@SlaSh But that way as the sleep tracking NOW works, it is also pointless. The real time of falling asleep is unfortunately very often not recognized by the S3F!
So: thoroughly revise and correct or consider my proposal (button and configurable time - just like some other smartwatches do) - optional for (possibly not working) automatic.
Of course, the automatic would be better - but then it has to work correctly!
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@Armin-S You know, I have a thing for sleep tracking, so I tried most of the activity trackers out there and then some. I don’t have a problem sleeping, mind you
I do have a big problem stopping myself from a million things that at the time seem far worthier pursuits than sleeping. Well, the morning is usually a different story 
None of the trackers can accurately detect sleep day in and day out. Polar had me always fall asleep few hours too late. Garmin was all over the map until recently, still isn’t very accurate, especially if you lie quietly reading a book inside your do-not-disturb ours. Fitbit was fairly close but then would have me sleep-walking in the middle of the night. Oura wasn’t bad, but had its issues. If it was wrong, it was really wrong. I can go all the way back to Jawbone and Basis.
Things should improve though. There’s a lot you can add to accelerometer data with ORH and HRV to better detect sleep state and phase. Hopefully, Suunto/Firstbeat would look into this.
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Exactly as you say @NickK. If Suunto does not get it right with the automatic, then please provide a manual version and start recording at the time specified by me. And then I know where possible mistakes come from and don’t miss 2…3…4 hours on sleep (recording). Luckily I’m sleeping and dreaming anyway
