Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical
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@Simon it is indeed sad. Doesn’t exactly yield any confidence in Suunto if it is incapable of addressing long discussed issues. To me this forum is more of an echo chamber instead of a place where Suunto comes to actively deal with customers/potential customers.
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@altcmd said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@Simon it is indeed sad. Doesn’t exactly yield any confidence in Suunto if it is incapable of addressing long discussed issues. To me this forum is more of an echo chamber instead of a place where Suunto comes to actively deal with customers/potential customers.
An echo chamber, nice wording.
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@zhang965 What else would you call it? My long-standing gripe with the software has been the limitation on single external HR strap, or other pods even. I have 3 different HR straps in use at any given point, and keep one of them at work. Now imagine me having to keep swapping out the pairing 2-3 times a week. This has been the case since Spartan and how many years has it been since? We were waiting for ages for some structured workout implementation and gosh, it finally did arrive with Guides, but meh, half-baked implementation that is not a standard feature (as also mentioned by DCR). Don’t get me wrong. On paper, the Guides idea sounds great but it has to match real world practicalities.
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@altcmd said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
To me this forum is more of an echo chamber instead of a place where Suunto comes to actively deal with customers/potential customers.
This is a community forum, not support. But as you may have noticed, not only bugs are forwarded from here to Suunto by mods and volunteeers, some developers (for the app and the S+ apps) are actively participating in the forum.
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@altcmd said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@zhang965 What else would you call it? My long-standing gripe with the software has been the limitation on single external HR strap, or other pods even. I have 3 different HR straps in use at any given point, and keep one of them at work. Now imagine me having to keep swapping out the pairing 2-3 times a week. This has been the case since Spartan and how many years has it been since? We were waiting for ages for some structured workout implementation and gosh, it finally did arrive with Guides, but meh, half-baked implementation that is not a standard feature (as also mentioned by DCR). Don’t get me wrong. On paper, the Guides idea sounds great but it has to match real world practicalities.
Don’t get me wrong, I do love your echo chamber, it’s absobloodylutely precious.
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@isazi I understand. And hence some of the concerns I have highlighted are nothing new. I am not seeking support as per official channel cause again, none of them are new to Suunto.
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I come from Garmin and I am really happy with the Vertical (none solar).
- Battery lifetime is just great, in both, GPS mode and none GPS-mode.
- GPS accuracy and height measurement for trail running is great.
- Map detail is for running on point. Route is perfectly visible. Love it.
- Only while indoor rowing the distance is shown wrong. Better would be no distance at all. This is the only criticism I have at them moment.
The first days I had problems downloading the maps. That was a bit annoying, but was not Suunto‘s fault, but was due to a misconfiguration of the child protection in my router.
In other words: I don‘t regret switching from Garmin to Suunto and I am totally happy with the Vertical.
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@sebastiant I agree with you. I had a Fenix 5splus, battery was a disaster and display too small to use maps.
I never had a Suunto before but this Vertical is very good as you wrote in battery and GPS. I was very impressed to see how fast the compass is adjusting itself when you change direction. A few times I navigated by choosing a Point of interest and the navigating was perfect and gave the total meters I was away from the POI. I didn’t have to use my smartphone to find my way.
What I also like is the Suunto Coach which makes a daily or weekly comment of your activities.
Minor points and very strange for a smartwatch in 2023:
- lack of good watchfaces
- stepcounter not correct, always a few thousands steps less than reality
- caloriewidget not correct
- sleep recording OK but not time to wake up, watch let me sleep till I got up but I’m awake an hour or more before that
-optical heartrate most of time correct but sometimes it suddenly is getting up or down and than after half a minute comes back to normal.
But all this things seems software related and I hope it can be solved in the near future by Suunto.
But concluded I think this is a very good watch that regarding the very good battery, gps and practical maps, can be a good companion for lot of years to come.
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@Philip said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
stepcounter not correct, always a few thousands steps less than reality
Do you mean the number of steps during the activity? Suunto only counts the steps of one leg if I’m not mistaken. My cadence while walking is twice less than what Garmin counts. I found this description somewhere online:
At race pace, cadence should be at or above 180 steps per minute, or 90 revolutions per minute (counting one leg). Suunto uses revolutions per minute, so a good goal at race pace is 90-92 revolutions per minute.
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@smopi I recently took an easy evening walk of 3.87 km around my neighborhood. My SV counted 4496 steps, which is supposedly close to the truth considering my average step is approximately 80 cm. That proves my SV counts both legs.
BUT I do get extra steps even while working on a keyboard…
I wouldn’t rule out individual differences based on personal running styles, or perhaps there’s a faulty sensor if your step counts are half of what you’d expect.
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@BrunoH said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@smopi I recently took an easy evening walk of 3.87 km around my neighborhood. My SV counted 4496 steps, which is supposedly close to the truth considering my average step is approximately 80 cm. That proves my SV counts both legs.
It is interesting. My last not so easy for me walk activity: distance 10.15 km, time 1h 31m, steps 6689, cadence: 68/min. It looks like only one leg is counted. Data taken from Suunto app (Android).
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@smopi said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@BrunoH said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@smopi I recently took an easy evening walk of 3.87 km around my neighborhood. My SV counted 4496 steps, which is supposedly close to the truth considering my average step is approximately 80 cm. That proves my SV counts both legs.
It is interesting. My last not so easy for me walk activity: distance 10.15 km, time 1h 31m, steps 6689, cadence: 68/min. It looks like only one leg is counted. Data taken from Suunto app (Android).
You are not wrong, suunto’s cadence ×2 is your steps per minute.
While running the Stride length is the distance between the same foot.
If you want compare more, you can load your activity to 3rd party app, they have more information on the cadence and stride
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@Philip said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
I agree with you. I had a Fenix 5splus, battery was a disaster and display too small to use maps.
Really - this was your choice - you have gone from a 42mm case to a 49mm case - of course the display size will increase plus there is more space for the battery. Bit harsh complaining about a choice you made.
So of course unfair comparing F5sP verse a vertical. Note that if you had gone with a similar size Garmin i.e. the new Enduro or Fenix 7x - both are 51mm case, both like the vertical have a 1.4inch 280x280 MIP display. All have around 30 day normal operating battery life, bit difficult with tracking battery life as listed quite differently but going with just best accuracy in all cases vertical is up to 60hrs - Enduro 2 is up to 68hrs, F7x is up to 36hrs.
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@Philip said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
- sleep recording OK but not time to wake up, watch let me sleep till I got up but I’m awake an hour or more before that
New sleep algorithms being tested, for me (spoiler alert) fall asleep and wake up time are matching Oura now.
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi
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@isazi when will we get this new algorithm in the Vertical?
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@Jamie-BG you are right it was a bit unfair regarding the fenix 5splus. It was a not so good decision to buy this. I thought it would give 11 hrs GPS a day, but in reality it was nearly seven.
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@Jamie-BG in the Coros app (iOS) you also have the option to choose the notifications displayed on the watch
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@isazi said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
@Philip said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
- sleep recording OK but not time to wake up, watch let me sleep till I got up but I’m awake an hour or more before that
New sleep algorithms being tested, for me (spoiler alert) fall asleep and wake up time are matching Oura now.
PLEASE!
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Wohoo, better sleep algorithm. Poor sleep recording was exactly the major issue we - the bug plagued customers - were waiting for to get fixed. Congrats, Suunto! That helps so much in getting the SV to work properly shaking head smiley. As if the majority would wear this watch in the night. And really, what would anybody expect from this data? For me, I usually know when I have slept well or not. No need for a device to tell me. And any true sleep issues will never be detected by the SV.
