Software update 2.30.32

[gizmo]

@herlas said in Software update 2.30.32:

With that said, things are improving with Suunto on the OHR front

And this is undeniable truth and I agree with it 100%
But there is still a long way to go to the acceptable level that the competition achieved long ago.
Unfortunately, my measurements look completely different. A straight path, constant pace, real heart rate around 160bpm… and the graphs look like this:

Values on the chart: 110-180 bpm… real value stable 155-165bmp…

For comparison, the reading from the HR strap

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

Keep in mind we are entering colder temps and all ohr units have less accuracy. You cant compare testing a watch in summer to testing another watch in winter. The same.watch would perform differently.

[gizmo]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software update 2.30.32:

Keep in mind we are entering colder temps and all ohr units have less accuracy. You cant compare testing a watch in summer to testing another watch in winter. The same.watch would perform differently.

I agree with that, of course. I disagree with the statement that the WHR reading works well. In my opinion, it works very poorly and is the weakest link in these great watches.
I just want the WHR readings during easy running to be realistic and stable, nothing more.
And I agree that for high-quality training there must be a HR belt.

[mikekoski490]

@gizmo said in Software update 2.30.32:
In short, WHR in Race and Vertical is currently useless.

I’m not sure why people, like me and others, who have had good experience with OHR,are able to say ‘In my opinion, it works well for me…’, while others, like @gizmo, who are on the negative side, must make declarative statements like this.

I hope in future posts people on the negative can acknowledge:

1. That OHR DOES IN FACT work ok for some, as they/we are saying.
2. That they please try to say its your personal experience when you make a statement like above. Simply toning it down to something like ‘Well, in my experience OHR doesn’t work, and in my opinion, WHR in Race and Vertical is…’

Would help keep the mood a bit more chill.

[tiago]

@gizmo for me worked well,so this is the kind of things work well for me but for others maybe not. So if doesn’t work for you you have to find something who works for you

[Brad_Olwin]

@gizmo OHR is going to be highly user dependent! I found the Epix 2 no better than the Race for me. Apple for me and for others is clearly better but still not good enough. Just because it does not work for you does not mean it is general for others. There are a fair number of field testers that get great OHR from Suunto devices, I do not but Garmin is no better for me either. Please don’t generalize your OHR data for everyone, the underlying technology is simply not good enough for that no matter who makes the sensor.
For monitoring HR daily (no exercise) and sleep, OHR on all devices I have tested are equivalent.

[Rob33]

I don’t have the Suunto Race or Vertical but from what I saw as feedback from 3 known testers, the accuracy of the WHr is not good, at least less than with Garmin or Coros.
For the rest, they are cited as very good watches.
I recognize that this slows me down from buying because on long distances I like not to use an HR belt

[leafs93]

@Rob33 for me, the OHR for suunto race works as well as my Garmin 965, ultra and COROS pace 3. Only thing is you have to wear it slightly higher where there is more flesh and snugly

[Frank Stefan]

Upgraded

The interface is much smoother now. Great !

Raise to wake also works much better than before. Also Great !

There are new symbols for notifications… ok… now Suunto… implement those Emoticons for the next firmware so the SR would be near perfect for me.

Weather widget should include the forecast for the next few days - i really miss this option.

So all in all i am happy with the new firmware. Thanks Suunto !

[Theo Lakerveld]

7 day avg. HRV = 69, last night HRV = 76. Suunto coach states that last night is below avg. Bug?

[teo's]

“Improved GNSS accuracy with updated GNSS firmware”

That’s an expected fix! Can’t wait to find if initial lack of accuracy in track recording even at best quality, has finally been corrected…

Once donne that, there’s only a big need that still has to be answered: a real store for much more watchfaces and apps!

[renton82]

CTL, ATL and TSB are still desynchronized from Suunto App, i can’t believe it…

[Arnaud Lclr]

@renton82 I agree with you, it’s a shame that this update hasn’t managed to fix it.

[SuuntoR]

@renton82

Nonono!! This seems to be so with my watch also. How this is possible? It should have been a known bug and was told to be fixed and these metrics are the key points selling this watch. Those numbers will sync but only after a power off and back on, so just like before an update. So Suunto, is this still a bug and will be fixed in the near future or is it something we don’t understand?

[Theo Lakerveld]

Tonight was the first night I had sleep detection without falsely reported awake time. Let’s see if this is structural. In case Suunto has managed to “fix” the sleep detection algorithm, they should surely mention it in the fw release notes.

[Egika]

@Theo-Lakerveld said in Software update 2.30.32:

7 day avg. HRV = 69, last night HRV = 76. Suunto coach states that last night is below avg. Bug?

The coach is referring to the 7 day average in relation to the long term normal range.
Individual outliers you will have to judge yourself.
I think this approach has room for improvement, but this is the way it is currently designed.

[Egika]

@Theo-Lakerveld said in Software update 2.30.32:

Tonight was the first night I had sleep detection without falsely reported awake time. Let’s see if this is structural. In case Suunto has managed to “fix” the sleep detection algorithm, they should surely mention it in the fw release notes.

this is part of the “Improved stability” aka bug fixing

[GiPFELKiND]

Okay, it’s starting to seem like SUUNTO doesn’t take its customers seriously, nor the problems mentioned. I’m slowly getting the feeling that in this forum we all are beta tester and reporting the relevant problems directly to suunto didnt work. Waited for this update for so long and this TSL CTL problem of correct synchronization has not been clarified and solved!? Sorry, such a shame for you! I’m not surprised why other companies steal first place from Suunto. Exactly because of things like this. SUUNTO doesn’t care about the beta testers… the main thing is that the money comes into the coffers

[Tieutieu]

Sorry but I can’t stand the permanent sarcastic tone and « it-doesn’t-works -Suunto-is-fooling-us » anymore.

Few month ago this forum was first of all a help center between users, and source of informations.

It’s now full of haiters and people that seem to think that developers are paid for nothing…

Also tons of new threads opened because :

• one don’t want to search or read the manual
  OR
• threads are so soon polluted that finding informations becomes impossible

Sorry for this post, but no one here is gona directly change Suunto’s marketing, strategy or software development.
But I’m sure they read everything is said here and improve as fast as they can.

So keeping telling again, again and again that things are bad will not makes things go faster, but makes this forum much less fun and useful than it was and than it should be.

I think that we should open a « cry and shout out your angriness » thread that nobody would read but where everyone should post their anger.

My point is not « all problems must be hidden », but that to make things go forward, a problem must be described, circumstantialed. And doing that gently works better…

[I’m a simple user, Suunto fan, ready to help. I’m no beta tester or linked with Suunto from any way]

[mikekoski490]

@Tieutieu Well said.

And to shift things to saying some positives on the update, my 12k trail run today was awesome, as finally able to zoom out the map, which came in handy as with the rain and dark here in Canada I missed a return trail fork. When I figured it out, normally in the big scheme of things on my track the 500m would not have been helpful, but this time the 2k zoom out was absolutely beneficial. Also finding the raise to wake a lot quicker, and of course the GPS track/distance/pace was awesome.

Using an HR belt as usual, but still finding the OHR sufficient for sleep tracking, which overall is spot on.