Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

DrSilverthorn

After turning off the movement reminder, sleep tracking worked for me for the first time last night. And it was spot on. Will have to see what the future holds.

Update: That was the one and only night that it worked. Since then, many nights have no sleep recorded at all. I am a restless sleeper, and tend to wake every 90 minutes or so - but sometimes not.

peegee

@RightNow yes i did but I feel like I’m changing physiology to suit technology, shouldn’t technology serve physiology?

peegee

@tomasbartko me neither… wonder why

peegee

@Patrick-Löffler-0 I haven’t had the pleasure of getting reminded to stand up… looking forward for a surprise future reminder

peegee

@gone-troppo super bizarre! last night I got a better sleep reading than the previous ones but still over an hour less than the actual sleep duration.
I’m going to keep on tracking… hoping for reliable results

Egika

The stand up reminder is triggered if you do less than 40 steps in a period of 2h.
If you then do move more, you are awarded (see below).
As Vertical step counter is pretty sensitive, it is probably counting more than those 40…
I have received the reminder a couple of times with Suunto Race.

babychai

@Egika
Today i received Stand up reminder after i sit for 2 hours. Is it remind every 2 hours if less than 40 steps for the next 2 hours?

Patrick Löffler 0

@Egika Thanks for the pictures of the move alert. 40 steps in 2 hours is really not a lot. That’s probably the personal reason for me why I never get it.

Brad_Olwin

@peegee said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

@gone-troppo super bizarre! last night I got a better sleep reading than the previous ones but still over an hour less than the actual sleep duration.
I’m going to keep on tracking… hoping for reliable results

This happens to me as well. Sometimes sleep is perfect, it was last night and sometimes the watch states I am awake for 2h and I was not. It may be that I move around more during my sleep than most. I think the tracking will be improved. However, I have seen that the new firmware is far better than just a couple test versions prior. Sleep tracking is likely very difficult and I listen more to how I feel than what my watch tells me.

peegee

@peegee
Dissapointed again with 3 1/2h less sleep, after raising rest heart rate by 15 bpm… didn’t do any good at all

Stefan Kersting

if you want an evaluation of how good sleep tracking works I think you have to compare the watch tracking when sleeping in a sleeping lab. Even if we are sleeping we are moving a lot. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Some times we register at we have moved a lot, sometimes not. But the watch does so it would be interesting to compare the tracking of the watch with a camera recording of the sleep

AnonVerticalOwner

Just adding my voice to the mix. Sleep tracking lost all accuracy after the update here too. The last three days read 12h, 2:23h, and 1:19h, while it should’ve read something like 5:30h, 7h, and 5:30h. It’s not just slightly off and balancing out; it is very far off.

I love the UI/nav changes and the additional bits, but would also love to keep the basics

Likarnik

I find no difference in sleep times/awake times before/after update. Only thing I notice is high resources (before update, I was almost never above 90%, now it’s the opposite)

Stefan Kersting

@Likarnik same here. Sleep tracking works fine for me. And I see too that I have up to 100 % ressources in the morning. But I noticed that I am not stressed at all. Maybe the stress will be tracked when I had 14 days with HRV tracking?

Likarnik

@Stefan-Kersting I guess we are not stressed anymore because update is finally here

Stefan Kersting

@Likarnik haha that’s right

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

wmichi

@Stefan-Kersting I also have never seen that I am stressed on my SR. Only active/inactive and recovering in the night. But today I have a cold, my resting HR is higher, HRV dropped and my resources display “stressed”, since I got up. During the night resources went up much slower. Finally stressed again

I think resources work pretty reliable now, at least in my observations. Big improvement to FirstBeat. Just a view minor annoyances (for example resources reset when charging/putting off the watch), but not a big deal. That resources no longer rely on user input (resting hr) is also big improvement (no more faking).

Mff73

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

i think i have sleep tracking issues (weird awake durations), and my dnd is automatically enabled during same sleep tracking range.
So at least for me, it seems not playing a role.

this night, i woke up and fall asleep few minutes later, but SV decided that it was my final wake up hour.

tomasbartko

Just adding to this discussion. My sleep tracking is good. Times seem to be correct, quality is higher than before the update (but approx. how I feel). Resources are almost 100%, but this is (I think) because they went up to 70% right after the upgrade and I am not able to deplete them to 0%. Each day I have 40-50% left so I assume that’s why. At least that’s my theory. HRV seems to be about the same as WHOOP. Everything except resources seems to be good here.

Stefan Kersting

@wmichi ok so the HRV seems to work as supposed to work. Don’t want to test it by myself now but I hope you are getting better soon! Wondering if you can see the stress level after a late lunch and som alcohol, this is obvioulsy somthing that increases stress I heard.

Mff73

@Stefan-Kersting
Let us test the alcohol contribution tonight

Stefan Kersting

@Mff73 part of beeing a beta-tester ?

Tieutieu

Maybe not the best thread to ask : I’m wondering about « 14 days hrv range calibration » (must be recorded among the past 60 days).
I’m not sleeping well last days (lot of work, partying unusually…). And days to come won’t be better.
First days of hrv since SV update give « low » values (32 average).
My question is : is hrv range set one time for all after those first 14 days, or is the range always evolving ?
Suunto’s hrv website talks about hrv day comparison with past 7 days, and that 14 mesures amont 60 days are needed for setting the range, but it is not clear if range will also evolved.
Sorry if it was discussed yet, didn’t manage to find answer to that question.

Stefan Kersting

@Tieutieu my understandig is that this is a “rolling” number over time. So I think in the long term the HRV will stabilize and it should not be a concern if you are in bade shape now