Avalanche terrain map on the watch

[freeheeler]

@Stefan-Kersting
we plan our tours with Werner Munter’s 3x3:
evaluate during planning
when arriving at the start
when approaching each slope

last winter we’ve frequently heard the warning sounds when stepping on an untouched surface, even it was only on risk level 2 officially. so we knew the forecast was too optimistic and we avoided the steep parts and channels.
when we came back to the hotel, someone told us they had to dig out 2 friends in a 40° slope. fortunately they survived unharmed!

[Stefan Kersting]

@freeheeler I have been on two avalanche hazard courses, a basic and a advanced. Really fun with some snow nerding And I love reading about avalanches, there is something fascinating with it. Both the courses and reading helps med to do my own decisions supported by the avalanche forecast. Munter is a classic and really good! “Staying alive in avalanche terrain” is another classic. And there is a lot norwegian literature about that.

The thing is you can go your whole life on the “edge” but you don’t get a feedback before it´s too late. You think you did all right without knowing how close you have been to trigger an avalanche.

If it would be possible to implement a good map solution in Suunto there is another variable, the weather. When skiing other places it is essential to know the weather history and I am speaking with the locals in order to find out more. Last year I was skiing in Tromsø and just a week before 5 foreigners died in an avalanche. In Norway its mostly foreigners that die because they paid lots of money for the trip of their lifetime. And they want to ski… something that affect decision making. And here the cavalry isn’t around the corner and it takes som time to get help. The slope map is a nice feature, but I prefer other maps that are more detailed for the area I am skiing.

Have to admit that some in my group already triggered avalanches when in the back country but in a not complex terrain where the risk is easier to calculate. We are speaking about the risk, which risk we wann take and how we can reduce the danger. We are doing that before, during and after the tour. But there´s no 100% safety…

[freeheeler]

@Stefan-Kersting
with the weather widget, I’ve asked for a report about total amount of rain/snow for the last 24h and few days. but I assume it could give a false feeling of safety.
as you say, it’s complex and many things need to be taken into account. wind direction, speed, temperature, snow base built etc.
and finally we must be honest to ourselves and need to be bold and strong to say no when it’s the right time.

some years ago I went on a skitour with my wife. the day before the level was at 4 and the final ascent to the summit is 45°.
I told her from the start it’s still level 3 and we are skipping the summit and go for an “alternative summit” in safe distance. interestingly, we meet 3 locals there. while we took off the skins and ate a sandwich, we saw groups passing by, heading directly into the summit ascent.
spoiler: nothing happened.
one local and I were observing the situation and he was shaking his head, too.
I was ready to grab the beacon, probe and shovel, anyway.
sometimes it needs one bold or carefree person and hordes will follow

[Stefan Kersting]

@freeheeler it depends on what you are using the information for. It’s intersting to know the total amount of snow if you want to know if it will be a deep day or not But you don’t get the whole picture. We often take short cuts and thats something that is left from our time in the caves. So this kind of information could be such a shortcut that could lead to bad decisions.

In Norway we have som mountain rules and one of them is “It is not a shame to turn and go back”. So don’t be a sheep and follow the others without thinking

In May i was on a backcountry tour and just under the summit we did the lunch break. I don’t remember which level we had but it was more than reported. Right before the lunch break theres was an avalanche. To this point we went up all the way <30 degrees

[tuxella]

Indeed, having the avalanche map available on the watch wouldn’t make it the only tool to use.

We already have to juggle with multiple apps (mobile or desktop) with different capabilities (online only or offline capable, 2D or 3D), for different uses (planing a trip, sharing plans, tracking) and map layers (by country, slope angle, recent avalanches, avalanche terrain, terrain hazard, dynamically taking latest avalanche report and risk reduction method into account…).

[tuxella]

The 2025 Q2 Vertical firmware release notes says

New winter map styles

Does this new map style include the slope? Could someone enjoying the mountains send us a picture in action?

[VoiGAS]

@tuxella Someone from the southern hemisphaere maybe? Its a winter map after all

[isazi]

@tuxella no, it is just different rendering of the same data

[tuxella]

@isazi Thank you, this is what I guessed when I realised it didn’t require to re-download maps.

Let’s hope this will come one day

[Stefano M64]

The past Sunday I had a short snowshoes hike and realized that it’s really a pity that the avalanche map isn’t available directly on the watch. Notwithstanding all the above discussed limitations, it gives a zero-level information on the potentially dangerous areas and it would be helpful especially if you are forced to change your planned itinerary.