Petition to have all Suunto Race features on the Vertical! It's up to you!
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@Frederick-Rochette said in Petition to have all Suunto Race features on the Vertical! It’s up to you!:
@moldovlad Thanks! I think there is no technical reason… only maketing one… we have to let them know we’re not happy and they have to change that
Personnaly I would say : “why crying before beeing hurt” ?? Until now there is no signs that devs are abandonned for any recent watches (I mean S9pp, Vertical)…
Even more : we know that a lot of features will be delivered in the next update to come. What we can notice is that it’s been a long time since the last and almost unique update was released !
It is not Suunto’s history neither interest to stop what they’ve done the past years : bring updates as long as the HW support them.So, I am personnaly not worried at all, neither angry
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@Frederick-Rochette said in Petition to have all Suunto Race features on the Vertical! It’s up to you!:
To all Suunto Vertical owners, please comment and/or like this post so that the next update contains ALL RACE features, including :
- Detailed sleep analysis
- Nap detection
- Running Race Estimation
- Heart rate threshold detection
I hope Suunto will listen to its loyal customers and not let them down.
For the first time in life, suunto released some “intentions” (at least on the dcrainmaker review) which seemed pretty clear, and a good changing compared to previous years…asking for more seems a bit optimist (at least by comparing to the suunto story), but doesn’t hurt to ask!
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@Frederick-Rochette look, I have not seen any statement from Suunto that those features are not making it into the Vertical.
In contrary beta FW is pointing in the other direction.
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@Egika I agree. From past experience, and once the initial sales of the Race have died down, I believe the Vertical (same OHR sensor and chipset?) will get every feature of the Race that it is capable of getting. Just my opinion, but the updates it wont get will likely only be those directly associated with either the AMOLED display (i.e. some of the menu display features might not render on a MIPS screen well), and menu navigation features that work with the scroll wheel but dont work with the 3 button on the Vertical (Desfit showed how having the scroll wheel frees up the upper and lower buttons to have additional functionality).
I think if you look at the Garmin Fenix 7 vs Epix feature wise, they are identical. Its just the display and battery life? Garmin is always pumping out new devices, and the not-so-previous models pretty much always get the new features, just a few months later.
Ill also bet the Epix outsells the Fenix because of the display for the general population, but the Fenix will also be preferred for the sub-set that does not want to charge their watch every week.
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Definitely - though I am sure they will - otherwise I am done
SV Titanium(1 day old) - slightly worried.
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@Frederick-Rochette I would personally hold off on this as you know there is a Vertical AND 9PP update coming…we are testing it! Exactly what will be in the update is up to Suunto. Once the update lands is the time to decide whether a petition is needed. I would not put all of my trust into the information provided by Ray as it may be subject to change.
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@Brad_Olwin btw, can the conclusion be drawn, that the 9 series won’t be getting more updates/features?
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@DMytro at least S9 Peak Pro is getting a MAJOR update. Don’t know about the capability of S9B etc.
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@DMytro I am also interested in this one. I’ve seen many S9 related crash problem posts in this forum and I know there can’t be many new features at this point. Stability fixes would be more than welcome.
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@Egika Music to my ears!!!
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@DMytro new features on the old UI watches, probably not, the hardware is already at its limits as it is. I hope in bug fixes, but that’s up to Suunto.
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@isazi said in Petition to have all Suunto Race features on the Vertical! It’s up to you!:
I hope in bug fixes, but that’s up to Suunto.
I absolutely accept the lack of new features but reading that one has to hope that Suunto will fix the bugs makes me sad. I don’t have any particularly annoying bug on the 9PP but I had one reboot during a race so far and there’s no doubt that the reboot problem definitely needs to be fixed, a bug like that I just don’t accept. If it wasn’t it would be my first and last Suunto and that would be a great shame because hiccup aside it works really well.
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@ultravox 9PP is a new UI watch
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@isazi
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@isazi said in Petition to have all Suunto Race features on the Vertical! It’s up to you!:
@DMytro new features on the old UI watches, probably not, the hardware is already at its limits as it is. I hope in bug fixes, but that’s up to Suunto.
I will share my opinion, just from someone that like the brand and made the switch and continue to lurk around, because…we never know…not to be negative or attacking
But for Suunto’s “health” I hope they release something at least for the S9P. It is a 2year old watch…If my memory serves me well the Ti (which I think sold well), was 680eur!
We all know suunto had been struglling to keep up etc etc, but I guess that could be a time were they should take care of those decisions. I think it is a bit too much…the spartan saga, the movescount/ambit saga, now s9p…I know that in the forum the S9/S9B is the golden series of support from suunto, but honestly it seems a bit the only one.
Honestly speaking this suunto race seems to be a nice device, competing with the others, with what it seems the usual suunto quality and design and the awesome app, but with all these history of bad support, I would be hesitant to switch.Hope they now have the resources to make also old devices well and correct everything, so come back to the glory of the past.
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@André-Faria I feel you and also am a bit bummed about it. But I kinda think that this could be fixed with more transparency.
I.e. if one releases new devices that partially use old HW, it kinda is to be expected that one either does an artificial cut of updates for older watches s.t. every watch released gets ± the same number of updates or one keeps supporting HW as long as possible and then the very first watches that are introduced with a specific HW iteration would be supported much longer then the last watch with such HW.
Now, I think the latter option would be more preferable for me and also more admirable in my opinion. However, saying ‘this watch is promised support for X years and after that is unclear’ would make it easier for the user to adjust expectations. Plus, it’s better to overdeliver.But also it would seem that some of the features like lactate threshold could be computed after the fact in the app, and thus such features could be brought to basically all SA-ready watches without needing to implement these on per-watch basis (maybe just for the recent ones).
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@DMytro as always with product management it is more complicated in reality.
Older devices differ in hardware, that means some new features would not be just copy&paste of code but a rewrite of those functions for older hardware. It requires a lot of different firmware rewriting and supporting separately.
It is a complex descision where to invest your resources.
At the same time, even if new features could be added to older models, it would possibly slow them down. Some users like features, some like a reactive UI. In this case I would understand the rant if your watch became slower to operate.All this apart from the bare technical restrictions of flash memory.
The Race FW package for example is around 7MB currently while S9PP is around 4MB.
I don’t know how much of additional code fits into a S9B for example… -
@Frederick-Rochette Detailed sleep analysis, nap detection
