What do you expect from the next update?

isazi

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov then I don’t know, I get them sometimes

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi what about the news?

isazi

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi then what is my reason?) it doesn’t interfere with life, it’s just interesting and, perhaps, I can miss something interesting, for example, polls)

GiPFELKiND

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

Good point!!! You’re right man 🥳 when you read about some bugs with the new Software… Cannot believe this. Specially that a tester says its no Problem! Missing contour lines are definitely a Problem. They are missing since Oktober last year 🥴

isazi

@GiPFELKiND let’s explain this another time, there is no bug on contour lines, there was a choice to be made: keep the maps at 1km or increase the scale to 5, 10, 20 kilometers. The only way to do that fast enough to be usable was to reduce details, and for the vast majority of users roads and trails are more used than contour lines, so the drop of contour lines when zooming out. This is still being worked out, and more details will be in the maps if and when the technical issues are fixed. No one wants a map full of details that is unreadable and unusable.

Brad_Olwin

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

No, not true but I am a scientist and your statements are factually inaccurate. There are contour lines. And I ask again, you say maps work poorly. Specifically what works poorly?
I do not see a major issue with contour lines where they are now. Yes that is part opinion but I did not say what I personally wanted. Nor do you know what I request as a tester.

Brad_Olwin

@GiPFELKiND said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

Good point!!! You’re right man 🥳 when you read about some bugs with the new Software… Cannot believe this. Specially that a tester says it’s no Problem! Missing contour lines are definitely a Problem. They are missing since Oktober last year 🥴

Specifically this tester says that he does not think the lack of contour lines at specific zoom levels is a serious problem. The maps are not missing contour lines, simply contour lines are not present at all zoom levels. As I told @maszop neither of you are precise with your statements. The fact is that contour lines are not missing they are present at higher zoom levels. That is a fact. I do not see this as a serious issue (my opinion). I did not state whether or not I would like them when zoomed out so please try not to assume what I am thinking.

maszop

I just don’t understand how you can write such nonsense over and over again.
What roads, what details? I’m talking about mountains in which the only details visible on the map are contour lines. Contour lines are not needed when viewing a small or very big areas, and mainly when viewing a area of 200, 500m, 1 and 2km.
Outdoor watch testers should know such things, if not, maybe they should do something else?
A 200m view is unfortunately often useless in the mountains. I most often use 500m and 1km (with the older maps) — then I can see the shape of the slope, cliffs etc.

Besides, the developer when announced it on social media canals, wrote that it was only temporary and would be FIXED soon, and you are writing such bullshit here now.

Iggge

@maszop I hear you. The maps need more details, and contour lines should be visible in 500m mode.

Stefan Kersting

@isazi @GiPFELKiND one of the first things when studying geography or cartography is how to make usable maps. A usable and user friendly map is a map that is readable. Critical for a readable map is the amount of information you are putting in a map. Honestly, the amount of information you can put in a map with a diameter of 49 mm is limited. So what is the value of putting contour lines in a map of 49 mm when zooming out to a scale of 5, 10 or 20 km?
Try this, browse norgeskart.no and zoom in to the area Bodø/Lofoten. There you can see how tight the countour lines are and in regions like this I think its really challenging to visualize countourlines on a watch.
The Vertical with the map function is a great piece of gear and when hiking it is very useful to plan the route and follow the track on the watch. And it is really fun, I like it very much! But it is the amateur way. When on a hike and several days in the mountains you have to use a old school map for navigation and that is really fun too because you “read” the map and “read” the landscape/topography. You can plan such a hike with SA, no problem. But in the field I choose to take with me a map. And the vertical is a great piece of support for navigating and tracking.
In my opinion the map works pretty well without contour lines at small scales.

Stefan Kersting

But back to the actual topic
Next update for the map:

option to lock the map with north up
possibility to define the bearing navigation in the map. Now you define it by pointing into the direction and optional you can define distance and altitude of the target point. Why not moving the map to the target point and confirm the target point in order to activate the bearing navigation?

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting The first thing you learn in geography is that contour lines are not fixed. As scale changes, elevation differences can and often should vary.
The claim that contour lines reduce the readability of topographic maps is sheer idiocy.

sartoric

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

and you are writing such bullshit here now.

Dude , take it easy.

Diverging opinions are ok,
even arguing it’s ok

Respect is mandatory

This is not Reddit

Iggge

@sartoric Well said!

Stefan Kersting

@maszop ok, let’s try this one. The display of the Garmin csx76 is about 4.1 x 5.6 cm. Little bit bigger than the vertical. The vertical with its diameter of 4.9 cm is actually “wider” than the Garmin display. As you can see have i hiked in this area and it’s right around the corner where I live. I’m pretty familiar with the terrain. But what do you think? I zoomed out to 5 km as you can see. Would you say that this is a good example for an easy to read and user friendly map? Without knowing how the map would look like one the vertical, I assume that there would not be a such big difference if you have an area with lot of topography. In my opinion even a handhold gps isn’t optimal for some type of navigating but a good help when zooming in. As I said, when needing a overview in unknown terrain I like to use old fashioned topographic maps

Got the point?

far-blue

Maybe the suunto developers could just make the detail levels configurable. Then users can choose whether they want slower, information-dense maps or faster less-informative maps. In fact, the same user might wish to change the setting depending on where they are - up a ~~creak without a paddle~~ mountain without a paper map or somewhere more inhabited with other landmarks and recognisable trails / road.

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting You know, maybe I’ll refrain from commenting on your idiotic argument. (If I wrote what I think about it, I would have to be banned )

One photo is enough to show that you (and a few others) have no idea what you are talking about.

Brad_Olwin

@maszop Don’t know your age but I was navigating with a map and compass when no consumer GPS existed or personal computers. I know what contour lines are and how to read a map. Would I like contour lines at all zoom levels? Sure, but it won’t prevent me from going into the mountains. I’d rather have contour lines as they are now than none at all, and I hope it will happen. I don’t set priorities at Suunto.
You however, need to tone your rhetoric down. Please do not insult individuals on the forum.

dreamer_

@maszop just for the quote. I’m not a walker, my sports are limited to trail running (most), marathons and long distance triathlons. I have never needed those lines because of my use cases and I also understand that you can need them because your use cases are different than mine. And that is fine, of course.
But here people are explaining the reasons of removing the lines.

If there’s a feature, and that’s for everything in computer science, that affects the usability of an application (maps) for the vast majority of people, and there’s no apparent easy fix, that feature is more a problem than a good thing. Suunto’s decision is the good one. Personally I don’t want those lines if the usability of the maps is going to be affected for those of us that uses the watch for trail running.

Btw, you know better than me that navigation is more than those lines. And Suunto has the best ABC sensors of the market, so it is not true at all what you say about the navigation with that “poorly” thing. Have a look here please: https://youtu.be/6JUS43kXgx4?si=3zWC9HT_as_IINlS