What do you expect from the next update?
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@maszop
I use the watch extensively for SkiMo and for biking as well as hiking and mountaineering. I use the lap button for those as well. For these sports I get the data I need, does not seem to be made only for running.
No changes to software? I use custom sport modes for most of my exercises and different S+ apps, not the stock modes, providing me with what I want to see. Guess I do not understand what no possibility of changes are…
Autopause is too sensitive for any watch I have worn/tested, that includes and Apple Watch Ultra and Garmin Epix 2.
My altimeter on Vertical, Race and 9PP is spot on, the only time I have issues is when winds are very, very strong. Strong enough to slow or stop forward progress. The Epix 2 had the same issue with strong winds and altimeter but the AWUltra seemed better. I can provide the data if you wish. -
@Brad_Olwin I would like to have 3 useful keys. The competition has 5. Read the title of this thread. It’s like a wish list (not yours, but other users’). The lap button is 99% useless to me and that’s why I would like to have the OPTION to change what this key does someday. Don’t worry, without taking your toys, I’m still writing about the change option - the same in the case of autopause settings and others.
And the fact that the competition has similar problems is a poor excuse. They are doing much better on the market and can afford to make some mistakes. Suunto is far behind and is constantly losing, especially with the number of errors and omissions in the software.
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@maszop And why haven’t you bought the competition if Suunto is so far behind? Like seriously
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@Zdeněk-Hruška Market position does not determine my choice of equipment.
Until it becomes a niche with no chance of development or the manufacturer starts ignoring its customers.
Unfortunately, Suunto is getting dangerously close to this. -
@maszop Ok, understood. Far behind from the financial standpoint. But you know they don’t do mistakes on purpose. The watch gets better with every update at least in my opinion. Of course there are issues right now but I believe that they will sort it out. A better communication from the company side would be beneficial and much appreciated I guess. But other than that I have been very satisfied with S9PP and Vertical.
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@Zdeněk-Hruška I have been a Suunto customer for some time and I feel that they always have supported their products well. For me a big deciding factor is the fact that they both bug fix and feature update legacy products as long as the hardware supports it. That to me is a standout company.
The irksome bugs get ironed out, the products improve. Is it always quick? Not always but I know it is done with intention.
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@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@Brad_Olwin I would like to have 3 useful keys. The competition has 5. Read the title of this thread. It’s like a wish list (not yours, but other users’). The lap button is 99% useless to me and that’s why I would like to have the OPTION to change what this key does someday. Don’t worry, without taking your toys, I’m still writing about the change option - the same in the case of autopause settings and others.
And the fact that the competition has similar problems is a poor excuse. They are doing much better on the market and can afford to make some mistakes. Suunto is far behind and is constantly losing, especially with the number of errors and omissions in the software.
You and I are each one person. Stated by you “Currently, Lap is useless for most activities.” You did not say useless for me or for my activities. I am simply responding to a blanket statement you made, which I disagree with. Similarly for the altimeter, a blanket statement with no detail, I would rather be constructive as opposed to making blanket statements that do no one any good.
I do agree that there are issues, I think the wind effect on the altimeter is a major issue for me. The mountains where I live are often windy, very, very windy. So this affects me personally and I know from the forum one or two others. But it is not likely a general problem. So my response is not to say the altimeter is crap but to provide specific and constructive feedback that it records wind effects even on newer watches where the placement of the sensor holes is supposedly preventing this (it was much worse on the 9 baro). Since I test for Suunto I report these issues and sent in a bug report for wind affected altitude readings on three watches I was wearing at the same time.
I won’t comment again on the tone of your responses but I don’t find most of them constructive. I also find it personally offensive when you tell me to read the title of the thread or chide me about my toys. You do not know me nor do you know anything about me even if you think you do. -
@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:
… all the software is made only for runners, without any possibility of changes.I will say I don’t run (unless I am being chased) and I use the software for various activities that I do. Mountain biking? yes. Hiking? Yes. Boxing? Yes. Rowing? yes.
I asked the forums on how to get my Vertical to work with my activities that I do; chances are there is someone else that knows. Many users showed me a way to look at it differently and have been more than helpful.
I would strongly suggest not to throw out blanket statements of frustration as that is kind of a rule of life, ask but be polite.
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@Carlos97atz said in What do you expect from the next update?:
But, I have a question. Are there people on the Suunto team who actually read all our requests, ideas or bugs? It’s just curiosity.
Because if not, what good are all our ideas and requests here?
I think there are enough folks that interact with Suunto on the forum to pass ideas on and to pass on significant bugs. I know several testers that frequent this forum and other Facebook groups who report forum bugs to Suunto, as do I. For example, the sync bug is a serious recent issue that seems particularly elusive, unfortunately.
Testers can report ideas as well, I have used responses from forum users to enhance an idea for firmware that I think myself and many users would benefit from.
The field testers can report and suggest but we do not know if or whether our ideas influence development or how the bugs we report are incorporated into development.
So, keep the ideas coming! And, forum users find bugs the testers did not encounter even though we find a lot of them. So, the input is very helpful IMHO when multiple users report similar bugs and when improvements suggestions are specific and constructive. -
Suunto please implement watcha face designer. Thank you
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@Todd-Danielczyk I gave specific examples (autopause, Lap button and most SuuntoPlus) are designed with runners in mind. I don’t want to take anything from anyone.
I will repeat once again: I wrote about the possibility of changing the function of one key from the rigidly assigned Lap function to several options to choose from. For other activities, something else would be more useful: e.g. a location record, a compass, a widget, a map, an elevation chart, whatever.
Where does this hysteria come from? The Suunto software has a lot of stupid limitations and it would be nice to provide some settings that are more useful for other activities.
To this day (since Ambit and Traverse) it is not possible to use the compass and GPX route navigation at the same time. Another absurd limitation that should not exist in an outdoor watch. -
@maszop Ok, designed with runners in mind. Sure, I would agree with that statement.
Made only for runners. That I cannot agree with.
I can also agree that there would be benefit to letting the watch be more customizable, but if that would mess with the stability of the watch I think that is a very dangerous proposition. I would take a more robust (and proven) ecosystem than one that is fully customizable and creates higher glitch frequencies.
I don’t write code, so it would be very unfair for me to say it would be easy or not to implement. What I can say is I have seen things get very complex the more open software becomes. Stability issues become exponentially higher the more switching you do within the code.
Side note, you get to know me you will see I am very calm so zero hysterics from me. Life is way too short to not enjoy a sunrise, sunset and the time between.
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@fobissss I’ve just tried out another watch (after having substituted from Amazon) always Suunto Vertical, and it has the same issues as the previous one. Garmin, I’m arriving!!!
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@fobissss
bug fixing requires a bit of patience. I don’t know if you are aware of this process… Suunto cares and fixes bugs, but maybe not within 4 weeks…
I recall my time with Fenix 3, nothing has been fixed during 1.5 years… that’s why I said: Suunto, I’m arriving
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@Frederick-Rochette I would love to see the possibility of creating a POI directly on the map on the watchitself.
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“Screen mirroring” like new feature of coros vertix 2s
Very useful tool for navigation !- quick glance in watch
- details in large phone screen
- real time breadcrumb in phone
In SUUNTO VERTICAL/SUUNTO app map will be awesome
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- sync of fitness data (like training) between multiple watches (when you own two or more it would be nice they are in sync).
- multiple Bluetooth sensors and their names (I changed my mind on this )
- support for Suunto wing from the watch
- ClimbPro like feature
- low prio: but more customizable watch faces
- improvements in HR and SpO2 measurement (I struggle a lot to get Oxygen no matter what I do: not moving, watch not too snug nor loose, 2 fingers rule, etc.)
- Suunto guides (AI? Training plans) based on your profile would be top notch.
I find the training side of the watch to be perfect for my needs so not much need there.
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My main expectations have not changed :
- map improvements (labels, one field data : altitude would the the most appreciated to make map screen fully usefull, level curves up to 500m zoom…)
- integrated structured workout screen improvement : I miss so much interval/step counter and 5sec bip countdown between intervalls. On that point Every information is in the app, transmitted to watch, so I thought it only needed integrated app to be updated (independantly from watche’s FW update). But maybe I’m wrong. If not I don’t understand why it as not been “corrected” yet. And If I remember well, it works when structured workout are programmed with intervalls.icu ?
- Suunto « climb pro » so elevation profil would become a real tool
- some few other things like : navigation improvement (at least smaller font so we can read all the instructions). But since maps where introduced I must admitt that I almost don’t use navigation alerts anymore.
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Well, in addition to many of the functionalities that we have all been asking for:
A shortcut to generate a POI.
Because one of the things I miss about my old Polar was that I could go on the fly, pointing out Points of Interest as I went. Well, the truth is that cheating a little. It actually marked a lap, but since later on the activity map you could visualize the point where the lap was marked, for the purposes it served as a shortcut to create POI super quickly.
Now marking with Suunto, marking a POI on the fly doesn’t work for me either on MTB or running, and even if I rush, hiking. You have to fiddle a lot with the dialog box to get to the site. It doesn’t matter to me, no.
Anyway, that would be cool, a way to function as a shortcut to create POI on the fly.
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I know this is kind of a wish list here, where ideas for new features are exchanged. But personally, I would expect that they don’t focus on new features, but prioritize bugfixing (most urgent imho are sync issue and breadcrumb issue; for sure there are other relevant bugs as well depending on individual use case).
Would be very frustrating if they present new features instead of fixing some of the major bugs first.
