Suunto 7 sleep tracking
Hello everyone. I ve experienced that my S7 dont track my afternoon sleep only night sleep? Anyone have any suggestion or solution for this, because not everyone sleep only during the night. Thaks everyone
that’s a double entry, right?
I assume that the setup for S7 sleeptracking is the same as for S9… I don’t have my S7 with me atm and did not set it up, as I rarely sleep anyway…
in S9 you setup your usual nights sleep time and the watch catches according to this setting, if you go to bed earlier or later than usual, eg also afternoon powernaps, the watch doesn’t recognize this afair
@freeheeler unfortunatly it is not same as on the S9 i can only set my daily sleep goal and not the time from when he starts to track?
Ps. I’ve tried to set goal higher than it ussualy (8 hours a day) but he didnt track anything except night sleep.
ok, I didn’t know that. I once set it up in my S9, used it once and deactivated it again.
maybe S7 has some invisible default setting to record only nights sleep?
what I wonder in general: when do people charge their thirsty watches when they want to track sleep seriously?
@freeheeler Good question
Near bedtime. I top mine up just before bed and off you go to bed.
I don’t take naps during the day so I cannot comment on sleep tracking. What I can stay tho is the S7 is extremity accurate when tracking my sleep coupled with a reliable body resources data the next day. Suunto go this one right.
My understanding is that the Suunto 7 only records one sleep per24hr period (this is only my observation, I may be wrong).
I rarely have multiple sleeps, but I had an afternoon nap recently (more of a food coma from eating too much at Christmas) and it was not recorded.
In the sleep settings on the watch you can select your target sleep goal, as well as a bedtime reminder for 30 minutes before your bedtime. I’m thinking the watch uses this data to determine your typical sleep time.
@olymay I think that main sleep during the night he tracks all by himself. But when it comes out of regulary sleeping hours reminder set up is needed than he will track additional sleeping hours I ll try it today and post it. Unfortunatly on S7 is not same thing like on S9 where you have option to set up sleeping hours where he will track all sleep for sure. I was explained by Suunto support that S7 does not recognize afternoon naps? I was like wth? Because if you have sleep tracking aplication which measure sleep tracking based on you movement and hearth rate then it should track also my calmness and hearth rate when i sleep during the day. So i was litlle dissapointed by that. Because not all people sleep during the night some work shifts so what that mean it wont track sleep after night shift… Nonsense from support
So nothing happend whatever I do it tracks only one sleep during the day… Sad but true
I tried this sleep tracking function with my Baro 9 a couple of times and apparently I’m never sleeping during night.
And in the end, I had this with my garmin before and when you wake up after a bad night it says “yep, you had a bad night”
So, now I keep it out of my wrist and it’s fine too.
Based on sleep stages you really only want your watch to track one main sleep period, naps really shouldn’t be included as sleep.
Naps should and do get rolled up into your resources - you should see a recharge - which is effectively what a nap does - helps you recharge energy.
Unfortunately in version one of firstbeat sleep tracking you don’t get the level of details that have now been rolled out to garmin’s using it which includes a full breakdown of your sleep score, when you have this, you start to see why it makes sense not to include naps.
Part of your sleep tracking is sleep stages, with deep sleep being the most important. On average you should try to achieve between 13-23% of deep sleep in relation to your total sleep duration; and around 20-25% of REM sleep. The way sleep stages work is that normally your deep sleep occurs within the first 90 mins of sleeping and is usually 2 stages and should be at latest 20-40m; later deep sleep stage can occur but not that usual. Your first REM stage should be very short and shouldn’t be more than 10min, there after you should experience regular REM alternated with light sleep- with possibly another deep sleep stage mixed in (but not usual).
Thus if nap for less than an hour and you start including these in your overall sleep duration you are going to throw off your Deep and REM percentages of your total sleep (another reason why long naps can also throw out your evening sleep). So based on this, naps count towards recharging your resources (body battery for Garmin).
@zoran-z if you want to track your sleep after a night shift, then I believe you need to set the ‘bedtime reminder’ in the sleep part of the watch (I haven’t tried it on the S7, but I know this is how many other watches work).
As @Jamie-BG mentions, it is not beneficial to track short naps, as you do not get the required amount of each sleep stage. Yes, a power nap can give you an energy boost, but it is only short term and can be detrimental in the long run (if you rely on power naps instead of getting proper quality sleep each night/day).
Within the Suunto 7 watch and the App on the phone, the sleep tracking doesn’t give any info on when you were in each sleep stage, just how long you were in each one.
However, if you allow the export of sleep data to Google Fit, this does display when you were in each stage (although it often takes a few hours to appear). I have compared it to my Withings Sleep Analyser and it’s close enough for me to trust it.
@zoran-z i found this book quite insightful, especially concerning alcohol and caffeine, but also that temperature plays a role in sleeping…
@chrisa there is definitely lots of parameters. Few years ago I decided to buy a good mattress for my bedroom and follow this and that beliefs about sleeping, like bed orientation, lights, food, and all. Finally, this didn’t change that much my sleep quality (which was not good at this time).
Then I realized I almost always have pretty good nights during treks, when sleeping on a crap trekking mattress in a tent in the middle of nowhere without thinking at all about my bed orientation and the color of my socks
Conclusion, do sport, avoid eating a full cow before bed, breath, stretch and try to shutdown your brain in bed (easy to say of course…).
@darxmurf I made quite similar experiences, when I was on a 7 day trekking trip with horses - raise early, rode all day long, when the night came, you had an early dinner and then went to bed, which was another one every night - and mostly not the best - also slept on the ground besides the horses some nights, but never slept that deep again in my life. It was as somebody just „turned you off“. I assume it was the almost total absence of artificial light and of course being outdoors for 18 to 24 hours a day.
@chrisa and voilà! Something to cleanup your head will make a big part of the job. Then add the other little things
- low light
- cool environment (I can’t sleep well in warm rooms)
- low noise around
And good night
For example, I sleep better in a cooler room than my gf does (by roughly three degrees C).
A good quality mattress and pillows are a huge benefit. We switched to hybrid memory foam a couple of years back and the difference was astonishing!
Personally I have found that eating just before bed makes little to no difference to how I sleep. However, even one alcoholic drink has a noticeable impact.
I have smart lights in my house that are set to automatically dim as the evening goes on, as well as reduce the blue light. Same with my phone and laptop displays. I feel like this has made a difference.
Exercise is a massive impact I feel. I barely did anything over christmas - partly due to resting a sore achillies, and partly due to just having a lazy period - and my sleep was terrible (not helped by alcohol most days I’ll admit). I did a short run on Sunday and immediately slept better.
I like to sleep with white noise or rain sounds, but my gf hates it so we don’t do it
I’ve tracked my sleep for years, using various bits of kit, and whether it works or not can be debated. But, it has worked for me.
I used to sleep 5 hours a night on a good night, and nap in the afternoon. I was always a bit tired and would struggle to maintain concentration for long periods. When I started tracking and seeing warnings on the devices telling me sleep quality was poor and I wasn’t getting enough, I started to implement changes one by one.
I now sleep 7-8 hours a night with mostly good sleep reports, no more naps, my concentration is much better, I’m less tired.
I’ve found my S7 to be one of the best sleep trackers i’ve used (and i’ve used plenty!), I’m really happy with it
Thanks everyone for replies. Sorry for my english it’s not my mother language. Despite to everything I think nap of 2 and more hours during the day also gets a big role in 24h in your body so I still think there is a way to also include sleep moments like that in all calculations that would more precise your body stage and situation.
@zoran-z - it should be reflected in your resources. Also technically you really shouldn’t be napping for so long as you as it will affect your overall sleep rhythms. If you are over the age of 60 fair enough, but if you are under 60 and don’t have any serious medical conditions that cause fatigue then you really shouldn’t require a 2hr nap every day - if you do I would seriously suggest you get access to a sleep clinic and it would suggest that you aren’t getting sufficient deep sleep in your regular sleep.
@jamie-bg I wouldn’t make such claims. Picture someone who is exposed to prolong physical activity during the day. Or picture a student who studies for 10-12 hours daily without having weekends. I think it may only be conserning if leading the same lifestyle has suddenly caused the need of long naps during the day.
@dmytro the lack of nap tracking unfortunately really makes this inferior for sleep tracking compared to fitbit. Excited to see if there will really be a Pixel watch using fitbit as the tracking engine . But if Suunto did add naps, I’d be torn.
@harboe to be frank, u doubt it will anytime soon. But we’ll see.
@dmytro I agree, even though I’m not sure if you mean Google releasing the Pixel watch or Suunto adding naps.
@harboe haha, both
@dmytro actually not true - in both cases still shouldn’t be napping to that extent. Should have longer duration sleeps, but still should look to keep naps under 30mins - no proven benefit over that time.
The bigger issue with the firstbeat sleep tracking is more around requiring a defined sleep period - which can cause issues for those with variable shift times; and its inability to determine when you are actually sleeping compared to lying in bed/watching tv on a couch - but again most trackers struggle with both. Have had numerous trackers which get this wrong at times. And unfortunately that is the reality based on how sleep trackers work off HR rather than working off brain waves which is the only real way to determine sleep and sleep stages (at least until they improve technology / find another way to determine sleep).
with Garmin’s updated firstbeat sleep tracking I believe you can force the watch into recording naps as sleep by putting the watch into DND/Battery Saver mode. If you sleep when its in this mode then it automatically records it as sleep rather than as a nap.
Might be worth trying it with the S7; however may just be the updated version - we got an update about 4 months ago.
@jamie-bg you might be right, I need to check some research data. But if you are reffering to statistical data, I would argue that this doesn’t always tell something about an individual. Hence, my original comment, that if long naps are something that you have your whole life and it doesn’t affect your quality of life, chances are - nothing’s wrong with you.