To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts
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I think in most cases it’s more responsive than my Spartan Ultra or at least the same. Even when the screen is slow to update it’s doing what it’s supposed to in the background.
Most people would probably think that more customizations such as watch faces would be an improvement but that’s a slippery slope. For example, on the Google OS smart watches like Garmin there is an App Store with maybe 3000 watch faces. But, having played with my girlfriend’s and also tested the Fenix for a few weeks myself I can honestly say that most of the apps & customizations are junk.
That’s what keeps me with Suunto. Kind of simple elegance in that regard.
There was a time with the Spartan Ultra that I was pretty upset like you so I understand. But, firmware solved everything over time and it became beloved to me.
We just need to make clear what’s important here & Suunto will implement it if possible.
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Do you read all the Manual of a car that you purchase?
You bet I do! I check the manual, I look at the car forums, I talk to friends who drive similar cars. And, most importantly, I go and take one for a test drive or two before I cough up any downpayment and sign things. Am I wrong?
Probably I don’t make enough money! Can’t afford impulse car purchases
Yeah, that must be it.I did read the manual but not every word of it, some things i assumed are there cause they where very logic for me.
So, you assumed that things like target distance or intensity target or a selection of S+ field, that by their nature change from one workout to the next, will be persisted? Why? Because color scheme, auto lap, and power settings do persist.
And you didn’t read a single review from, say, DCR, who mentioned the watch UI could sometimes be slow? Or that there are only several watch faces available?
But most importantly, why wait for 2-3 months and vent your frustration at random people in the forum asking they explain something to you, when you could have returned that watch within a week?
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Many people know that the S9P doesn’t really do it for me in terms of looks or size (I’ve been an S9B user for many years), but I don’t for one second doubt it’s ability as a premium, top performing sports watch
FWIW it was on François D’Haene’s wrist for Hardrock and UTMB this year, so if it can handle races like that I’d imagine it will cope pretty well with the training of us mere mortals
I basically agree with everyone elses comments; saying that Suunto is ‘disrespectful’ with this watch being sold as something it’s not? That’s simply a ridiculous statement and I know for a fact that you would very easily and quickly be proved wrong. Since you have had it too long to return you should probably just put it up on ebay and buy a cheaper model that does what you want
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@miniforklift
Just my two cents:you can run the UTMB without a watch as well. So this is no plus point for S9P
IMHO Suunto watches are just tracker without any data analysis.
To be happy with a Suunto you either have to:
a) just want HR, GPS, time, ascent etc.
b) do the analysis and planning in excel / calendar yourself
c) be a pro with a TrainingsPeak subscription and a coachGarmin gives you all the analysis you want and even more.
In my case I just want a watch, which shows me the track, HR, time, ascent. The rest I do with excel and google calendar.
Is the price justified? IMHO yes. They are a lot cheaper than a Gamin Fenix 6 sapphire and you get years after the release new functions (see S9B)
But everyone has its own needs and expectations.
For sure I am frustrated from time to time with my Suunto (nothing is perfect), but I will never leave Suunto. -
@theguyfromthesummit said in To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts:
@miniforklift
Just my two cents:you can run the UTMB without a watch as well. So this is no plus point for S9P
IMHO Suunto watches are just tracker without any data analysis.
To be happy with a Suunto you either have to:
a) just want HR, GPS, time, ascent etc.
b) do the analysis and planning in excel / calendar yourself
c) be a pro with a TrainingsPeak subscription and a coachGarmin gives you all the analysis you want and even more.
In my case I just want a watch, which shows me the track, HR, time, ascent. The rest I do with excel and google calendar.
Is the price justified? IMHO yes. They are a lot cheaper than a Gamin Fenix 6 sapphire and you get years after the release new functions (see S9B)
But everyone has its own needs and expectations.
For sure I am frustrated from time to time with my Suunto (nothing is perfect), but I will never leave Suunto.Its a bit off topic, but what analysis gives Garmin that Suunto doesn’t? I can’t compare both brands with running but I can do with mountain biking. I own a Garmin 530 for biking and previously I was using a Sigma ROX 10.0, the Sigma really gives a powerful platform for analysis, Garmin gives less, and some of the info that it gives IMHO is useless, like I have a nice graph and values for my grit and flow, theoretically that tells how good my ride is but in reality are new values that they have invented that say nothing. Then you can only have the % slope in the device, and this info is not transferred to the app, so you can’t know average %, etc and this is really useful. Other thing, it can count the jumps that you do with the MTB but it misses half of them and sometimes it adds some that aren’t.
In my opinion if the data or info is not accurate is useless.
Then, regarding running what analysis you do? I mean what info you use and what conclusions you get and with what objective. Honest question, really.
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@babagali said in To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts:
I purchased it around 2.5 months ago thinking it will be the perfect one for my needs.
while paying a very high cost, now im starting to think it only looks good, as an actual Running, sport watch is is almost useless, doing what any £80-£250 other watch is doing
Very slow not responsive scrolling (processor?) some really element things like remembering my sport running pref so i want to need to do it every time i run (heart rate zone, target distance etc). ability to do more complex running plans, few simple display things for example being able to see heartrate zone while navigating, customizing the information on the everyday display and many smaller yet important things. Currently I consider this watch disrespectful toward the people who bought it delivering a half-baked product disguised as high end. All this is before I spoke about GPS and heart rate performance. Please prove me wrongFor the slow responsive scrolling, I agree with you, dcrainmaker also pointed, and @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos clarified it why it is like that here
Customization also (I don’t need zillion of watch faces, just to customize the data fields on the existent ones).
I advise you to jump and other brands and then come back to say how it was.
Not saying is better or worse…just that they have their issues.
I had F6S Sapphire and its GPS was also not good, super unconfortable for me.
Now with 945 LTE, still not as confortable as the Peak, and have bugs that I consider disrispectful. Like no one tested the watch. see here
I think every brand has bugs or lack featuers, simply they can annoy you more or less than suunto ones.As far I am aware you have some time to return the watch and have money back.
Regarding the advantage of sunto giving support to older devices, I think garmin does it also, fenix 5 is still getting new betas. And some features, but maybe not as “exciting” as the suunto ones.I would say you have the following chances:
1- sell the watch, get another brand
2- wait and pray that suunto implements what you miss
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@babagali I mean you can decide for yourself if you like a watch or not, no one else should be able to do that for you, because no one else is YOU
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@cosmecosta
I really like the Garmin Connect Web App better.
You get detailed information about your time trained in each HR zone cumulated over weeks/ months etc.You can select a sports type and get data about average distance/ total distance.
You can display the ascent etc for each category and even define the time frame.So my workaround is, to sync all my Suunto tracks every Sunday with Garmin Connect.
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@theguyfromthesummit I really like analysis data, Suunto app has really good resumes and you can select per sport, play a little with it. When I want more I open Runalyze, smashrun or Elevate (extension por strava in chrome) and about training load with reports WKO5. I like the graphs in the Runalyze or QS.
I have all my data in Suunto and Garmin, and the garmin analysis for me never worked. I suppose is a matter of personal preferences. But the view of calendar in Suunto app is amazing.
About the original post, @NickK expressed very well. Right now there is plenty of information. A tone… you can know what a watch do without any try.
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@theguyfromthesummit I do the other way around after my rides, from Garmin to SA
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@bulkan said in To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts:
@theguyfromthesummit
About the original post, @NickK expressed very well. Right now there is plenty of information. A tone… you can know what a watch do without any try.I think that is partially true. You can see a lot about features, but not much if they are stable, if they are well implemented, etc etc…
Not to talk about usage…physical
You have to dig deep…
Regarding S9P, I think only DCRainmaker spoke about the speed of the menus, and only on the deep review, on the first one it wasn’t mentioned.
No reviewer mentioned scratches on the titanium body, even if you could see them
No reviewer mentioned that resources is buggy and sometimes goes to zero.
When you start asking, then from time to time they answer and you see the problem arrived.
And the same for other brands. I am not bashing nor suunto, nor other brand nor the reviewer, but the fact is that sometimes the info shared is not as deep as we want.
I can’t believe, that someone who has made a run with a 945 LTE hasn’t seen how small the HR number is (on the right)…
Yet you don’t see nothing about it, the reviews are almost perfect…
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So that’s actually my picture of the two Garmin 945s. I was coming here to share my experience with the S9P and surprised to see my wrist!
Anyway, I am in a similar boat as @Babagali in that I am a bit disappointed with my S9P experience. As you can guess, I am coming from Garmin world. I’ve used the original 945 since its release, but was never happy with the size of the watch on my thin wrist. So I was happy with the release of the smaller 945LTE. However, as others have pointed out, there were just too many surprising bugs on this watch (which should be a near identical copy of the perfectly functioning original 945) to justify the cost. So it has been returned.
I had never seriously considered Suunto in the past due to the form factor of their products (again, not comfortable with large watches). But, the S9P seemed a perfect entry into the ecosystem due to its size. I was also looking to get away from the over analysis Garmin and others tend to push. I’m strictly a runner for enjoyment - I don’t ever plan to race or compete on any level. So the minimalist approach Suunto seems to have sounded appealing.
I’ve had a S9P for about 3 weeks now, and, unfortunately, am considering returning it as well. (I’ve actually had to try 3 different units due to quality issues like dead screen pixels.) While I do like the simplified nature of the UI and UX of the watch and Suunto App, the accuracy just isn’t there for me. While the OHR is pretty close (some spikes and dips here and there), the measured distance and ascent values are all over the place. Oddly, the GPS tracks look quite good compared to my other devices, but I get consistently over calculated distances on all my runs, especially trail ones through forested hills. I understand the altitude issue is being addressed, and, yes, I shouldn’t care if distance is perfectly accurate as I’m running for health, not sport, but I do enjoy accuracy.
There are a few other qualms I have with the unit (calendar integration and weather would be nice, ghost notifications are real, the screen isn’t as readable as others) that make this a difficult sell at this price point. I’m trying hard to love the watch, but if I can’t rely on it for a basic statistic like distance (which affects most every other stat), I can’t see myself making the switch to Suunto.
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@duffman19 said in To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts:
So that’s actually my picture of the two Garmin 945s. I was coming here to share my experience with the S9P and surprised to see my wrist!
Anyway, I am in a similar boat as @Babagali in that I am a bit disappointed with my S9P experience. As you can guess, I am coming from Garmin world. I’ve used the original 945 since its release, but was never happy with the size of the watch on my thin wrist. So I was happy with the release of the smaller 945LTE. However, as others have pointed out, there were just too many surprising bugs on this watch (which should be a near identical copy of the perfectly functioning original 945) to justify the cost. So it has been returned.
I had never seriously considered Suunto in the past due to the form factor of their products (again, not comfortable with large watches). But, the S9P seemed a perfect entry into the ecosystem due to its size. I was also looking to get away from the over analysis Garmin and others tend to push. I’m strictly a runner for enjoyment - I don’t ever plan to race or compete on any level. So the minimalist approach Suunto seems to have sounded appealing.
I’ve had a S9P for about 3 weeks now, and, unfortunately, am considering returning it as well. (I’ve actually had to try 3 different units due to quality issues like dead screen pixels.) While I do like the simplified nature of the UI and UX of the watch and Suunto App, the accuracy just isn’t there for me. While the OHR is pretty close (some spikes and dips here and there), the measured distance and ascent values are all over the place. Oddly, the GPS tracks look quite good compared to my other devices, but I get consistently over calculated distances on all my runs, especially trail ones through forested hills. I understand the altitude issue is being addressed, and, yes, I shouldn’t care if distance is perfectly accurate as I’m running for health, not sport, but I do enjoy accuracy.
There are a few other qualms I have with the unit (calendar integration and weather would be nice, ghost notifications are real, the screen isn’t as readable as others) that make this a difficult sell at this price point. I’m trying hard to love the watch, but if I can’t rely on it for a basic statistic like distance (which affects most every other stat), I can’t see myself making the switch to Suunto.
And I just came from reading your post on Garmin forum about the 945 lte.
A bit offtopic, but in terms of “new watch”, what will you do/buy?
Pay full price for a 945 (a watch that is “old”)? Fenix 6 (which the gps has been known to not be spectacular).
I think both on 945 LTE and S9P the brands will solve their bugs, and they are going to be great devices, but yeah they need time. -
@andré-faria @duffman19
I wrote a reply on the Garmin forum. Clearly I spend too much time in forums. But that is exactly my question too. What is your plan? Garmin 945 LTE and S9P are great. But both need serious bug fixing and improvements until I can really enjoy them. E.g. the resources bug is annoying. I do Yoga regularly and the drop in resources afterwards is for me not nice. Just speaking for me.Apple Watch Ultra (currently on my wrist)
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But why buy a new watch unless the current one is useless? Garmin, Suunto and Polar, they all have advantages and disadvantages. There is no bug free watch at launch. You either wait for a software iteration or two or you buy watch later.
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@andré-faria @Patrick-Löffler As you can see in the pic, I already own an original 945. It’s been really solid for me. I don’t recall it having quite as many issues at its launch as the 945LTE does. My understanding is that it was basically a Fenix 5+ with a plastic shell, so Garmin probably had most of the kinks worked out upon its release. The only reason I wanted to “upgrade” to the 945LTE was the form factor. The 3-4 mm reduction in bezel size really does make it sit better on my wrist. I planned on selling the original 945 to offset the purchase, but am glad I didn’t. So the 945 will be my watch for the time being.
That said, I haven’t completely given up on the S9P. I just came back from a walk with the dog and the recorded distance exactly matched the 945. My main issue is with distance accuracy on trail runs. A run early this week had the 945 at 9.23 Km and the S9P at 9.68 Km, a 4.7% difference. That’s pretty big. After mapping the run on a few other services, it seems the 945 is more correct. And it has been reliably accurate through several years of use.
I’m hoping the S9P firmware update comes out before my return window closes as I’d like to see if it solves some of my issues, but we’ll see.
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I like the discussion here
Thanks guys and @duffman19
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Of course. I’ve held off on weighing in with my opinion until I’ve had a good bit of time with the device. Unfortunately, the trail run distance issue is a big one for me. I’ve just returned from another trail run with both the S9P and 945. The S9P measured 6.04 miles, and the 945 measured 5.55 miles. That’s quite a substantial difference. That puts my average pace at almost 1:00/mi difference.
I don’t seem to have this discrepency when recording walking or “basic” running activities. Is it possible that trail runs use some sort of 3D distance calculation? I know the 945 has an option to toggle 3D distance on or off, but I’ve never used the feature. Even so, I don’t see how that can account for such a discrepancy.
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I’d be happy to start a new topic if that is preferred.
PS: Thanks @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos for Quantified Self. I’ve greatly enjoyed using it for my comparisons.
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The S9P measured 6.04 miles, and the 945 measured 5.55 miles. That’s quite a substantial difference. That puts my average pace at almost 1:00/mi difference.
You sure 945 was right? My F6x underestimated my trail distance by a good 15% if not more, though auto-pause and me stopping to take pictures was probably a big part of that. The thing is: S9P was right on the money in that case as it matched the distance of the planned route.
Otherwise, I do agree: Suunto watches tend to slightly overestimate distance, but it’s never more than 1% for me, which is within GPS margin of error.
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@duffman19 said in To Many issues with the Sunto 9 peak thoughts:
@andré-faria @Patrick-Löffler As you can see in the pic, I already own an original 945. It’s been really solid for me. I don’t recall it having quite as many issues at its launch as the 945LTE does. My understanding is that it was basically a Fenix 5+ with a plastic shell, so Garmin probably had most of the kinks worked out upon its release. The only reason I wanted to “upgrade” to the 945LTE was the form factor. The 3-4 mm reduction in bezel size really does make it sit better on my wrist. I planned on selling the original 945 to offset the purchase, but am glad I didn’t. So the 945 will be my watch for the time being.
That said, I haven’t completely given up on the S9P. I just came back from a walk with the dog and the recorded distance exactly matched the 945. My main issue is with distance accuracy on trail runs. A run early this week had the 945 at 9.23 Km and the S9P at 9.68 Km, a 4.7% difference. That’s pretty big. After mapping the run on a few other services, it seems the 945 is more correct. And it has been reliably accurate through several years of use.
I’m hoping the S9P firmware update comes out before my return window closes as I’d like to see if it solves some of my issues, but we’ll see.
How do you know the garmin was accurate?
Have you compared both tracks on QS?
