Sunnto 7 Sensor Support
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@brotzfrog10 So if I do a workout with an Apple Watch ( which I have) and record with the Apple workout app how do I sync to SA? Until this year I could not sync to Training Peaks but the sync to TP only works with the Apple workout app. If I want to use an app that has HR zones for example Work Outdoors, I cannot sync to Training Peaks, there is no way to do this without getting a file or using a third party app. None of the training analysis that I use sync to Apple Health. What big services sync to Apple Health and how do they sync?
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@Brad_Olwin That that to a degree ties in with what I have been saying - natively apple watch isn’t a fitness watch, but it is getting closer and closer. When it does (see premium subscription etc and recent changes they have made), fitness watches will not disappear but they are going to take a hit. However if the S7 (which is more compatiable across more platforms and has a better battery life than apple watch) can fill that gap that apple is moving towards and get in there first - they have a massive (and it is massive) opportunity to take share away from Garmin and Apple.
It really is a no brainer.Due to S7 ability to be used on iPhone as well as android, I from that perspective put it ahead of apple watch (also due to its fitness suite which is while not fully comparable to Garmin and Suunto fitness watches - covers most of the bases, and could cover all with integrated training and external sensors).
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@Brad_Olwin can’t HealthFit or RunGap do this?
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@Jamie-BG I seriously do not know what @brotzfrog10 is stating. Perhaps syncing to Apple Health. I used an Apple Watch for quite some time as part of testing. I love the smartwatch and hate the exercise implementation. Very difficult to get a lap button hit. I can get everything that the S7 provides but have to use several different apps. In the end, it just isn’t worth it for me. I’ll use my iPhone and not worry about a smartwatch.
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@Brad_Olwin I tend to agree. My Apple Watch has been sitting on the charger for months.
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@fazel said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@Brad_Olwin can’t HealthFit or RunGap do this?
Yes and I used them, but my point was that it is not built in, you have to subscribe to RunGap. At any rate, won’t hijack this thread but the sensor support for AW does have tradeoffs, except HR belt support, that works well. Stryd is much more problematic.
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@Brad_Olwin I guess I’m not quite understanding your question. The Apple workout app on the Apple Watch of course collects everything in Apple health. Apple health then syncs that data to dozen of platforms automatically (once you set up those permissions). I have no doubt you know this so maybe it’s the semantics we are disagreeing on. Either way I’m glad to have you on board with the sensor support idea. It seems like such a small software add on that it seems people have been asking for since launch but for it to not be here a year later is puzzling. Maybe the coprocessor sunnto is running the training app off of can’t do those kind of connections?
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@brotzfrog10 said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
Maybe the coprocessor sunnto is running the training app off of can’t do those kind of connections?
It has been written countless times that IT CANNOT
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@brotzfrog10 said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@Brad_Olwin I guess I’m not quite understanding your question. The Apple workout app on the Apple Watch of course collects everything in Apple health. Apple health then syncs that data to dozen of platforms automatically (once you set up those permissions). I have no doubt you know this so maybe it’s the semantics we are disagreeing on.
I am missing something here. Exactly what does Apple Health sync to and HOW do you enable it? For example, I have Training Peaks set to read my Health Data. TP does NOT do this, no workouts, no HR no weight, nothing is read by TP. Same for Strava. What am I missing???
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For those interested in the battery usage when connecting an external HR sensor to the Suunto 7: I just tried Sporty Go! on my Suunto 7 with my Polar OH1 connected. Sporty Go! automatically turns off the screen after about 5 seconds. The temperature was between -12 ℃ and -15 ℃, which could affect the battery usage. 45 minutes of nordic skiing took 22% of the battery. That should roughly mean that 1 hour of GPS tracking and the use of an external sensor would use 30% of the battery.
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@aeroild said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
For those interested in the battery usage when connecting an external HR sensor to the Suunto 7: I just tried Sporty Go! on my Suunto 7 with my Polar OH1 connected. Sporty Go! automatically turns of the screen after about 5 seconds. The temperature was between -12 ℃ and -15 ℃, which could affect the battery usage. 45 minutes of nordic skiing took 22% of the battery. That should roughly mean that 1 hour of GPS tracking and the use of an external sensor would use 30% of the battery.
Thank you
. Been looking for som concrete information. As my legs are a bit messed up with shin splints I’ve not been out to test it myself. I’ll admit that number was higher than I was expecting. I wonder if multiple devices (for instance both heart rate and a stryd) would be a lot worse or much the same 
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@aeroild ouch that’s some brutal battery life with the sensor attached. My Apple Watch 6 does way better then that with an H10 hooked up to it. :-(.
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@isazi sorry I didn’t read any of the previous statements to say that I cannot just that the coprocessor had some limitations (not fully defined) and that when full map views are activated on the 7 it switches over to the main processor. This would also mean that a gateway is already established to switch over to the main processor for certain activity functions which would mean connecting a Bluetooth sensor would be possible as the app could be switched over to the main processor.
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@Brad_Olwin you just go to say the strava app and enable health sharing. Then Apple asks what you what strava to be able to access and boom you’re done. Everything else happens in the background after that.
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@aeroild I’ll add something interesting: 30% battery usage is the same I got when I tested to run (with the use of the internal HR sensor) and at the same time streaming offline Spotify from the phone to my earbuds.
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@brotzfrog10 you are correct. The price to pay in higher battery consumption would be probably large though.
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@isazi I think that goes back to making it the users choice. Clearly no one buys a WearOs device for the insanely long battery life lol. I think the idea of juicing it up once a day is something most fitness minded people won’t have an issue with. Especially to get accurate heart rate data. In my experience the Phillip branded sensor in the 7 hasn’t been as accurate as the Vallencell in the 5 and no where near as accurate as a Bluetooth strap or my Apple Watch 6. A recent hiit workout had my 7 showing an average heart rate for the season of almost 30 beats l less then the h10 and about 24 Less then my Apple Watch. Now lots of wrist flexion was involved which murders wrist sensors but the Apple kept up fairly well. With not having another option on the 7 a users basically forced to live with the bad data. Also for those who have maybe used sportygo I personally think the information screens suck. Maybe I need more time playing with it but I find it even less user friend or then apples built in workout screens. Suunto just makes the best data fields in my opinion.
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@brotzfrog10 said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
I think that goes back to making it the users choice. Clearly no one buys a WearOs device for the insanely long battery life lol. I think the idea of juicing it up once a day is something most fitness minded people won’t have an issue with. Especially to get accurate heart rate data. In my experience the Phillip branded sensor in the 7 hasn’t been as accurate as the Vallencell in the 5 and no where near as accurate as a Bluetooth strap or my Apple Watch 6. A recent hiit workout had my 7 showing an average heart rate for the season of almost 30 beats l less then the h10 and about 24 Less then my Apple Watch. Now lots of wrist flexion was involved which murders wrist sensors but the Apple kept up fairly well. With not having another option on the 7 a users basically forced to live with the bad data. Also for those who have maybe used sportygo I personally think the information screens suck. Maybe I need more time playing with it but I find it even less user friend or then apples built in workout screens. Suunto just makes the best data fields in my opinion.
Try doing some weightlifting with Suunto 7… you get HR readings which, if they weren’t sad, would be funny… I mostly get 80-100 beats while the real numbers are 120-170… it’s only good for leg workouts, those numbers are very close
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@aeroild said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
Sensor support is not only a nice feature but a necessity when doing winter sports. So for now I am back with my Spartan Sport, which also has sleep tracking. But during daytime I do prefer my Suunto 7 because of the great integration with my Android phone. So please Suunto, listen to us, the users.
(I have also noticed in facebook groups that several people who use their Suunto 7 in different indoor training are wanting external HR sensor support).
I too join the request for external sensors, in Italy in the Alps in winter the optical sensor on the wrist is completely unusable … As someone has already said in other posts, adding more functions can only bring new customers without letting them escape the old ones!
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@Metalmi I did that as well just to see (regular weightlifting), and your right it was bad. Hovered around 90 most of the time. Now again to be fair movements with wrist flexion are tough on any wrist sensor as I mentioned so I’m not trying to throw Suunto under the bus here. It’s clear though the Phillip sensor isn’t as good as the previous sensor. Which again though is completely mitigated by allowing sensor support in the Suunto app.
As a side note I find it somewhat amusing when people say something about their watch showing good enough heart rate readings from the wrist for them. My fiancé used to say the same thing until I had her wear my H10 and OH1+ The data collected from those sensors completely changed her mind about what accurate heart rate data looks like. Now she won’t workout without one of those options on.
