Ambit Apps showdown!

Fenr1r

Most likely, complexity has a large cost and they decided that to manage the complexity of third-party apps on their devices is too much of a hassle, especially if said apps are used by a minority of users.

That does make business sense. And, of course, money saved = faster delivery of new SA sleep-tracking screens. Important, brand-distinctive, outdoor adventure stuff.

Bulkan

@sebchastang Wow

sebchastang

@Bulkan Thanks!

By the way, for users (Ambit mainly I guess) interested in those apps, I have prepared a package including :

documentation
code + variables/values to declare in the app designer section (on movescount.com)

Anyway, back to the main point of this topic, If someone is still interested in helping us to keep on using those custom apps data on any other platform (Suunto app, QS, …) than movescount.com (to prepare the future once it will be decommissioned), I can help by providing information (SML file, or else).

Fenr1r

@sebchastang Very impressive and very generous.

And I thought people only used the apps to see how many beers they can have after the workout!
On my side I use the hr zones app, and by the time of ambit 2 a friend of mine converted the couch to 5k training into app (interval training ).
I think the beauty of the apps was having the possibility to make features you don’t have and maybe would not be implemented by the brand.

sebchastang

Hello,

I am back to you with a SML file from moveslink2 (C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Suunto\Moveslink2) :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uie6CzZ53a-VAbZORFwjxpF8qr1XA7tx/view?usp=sharing

This file contains my custom apps values.
Please don’t care about those values, they are wrong since I forgot to set the parameter values in ALL the apps before my training session (I only set the right interval specs in the main app but not in the 3 others).
It is not a problem since the aim of this file is just to locate the values and eventually find a way to display them on other platforms if someone is interested in.

I didn’t find any file containing custom apps data in new suuntolink AppData folder nor in the Suunto app (Android), so I guess those data are not synced

I managed to create a graph with those custom values in Excel (By parsing the SML file imported through the Developer menu) and it is really nice, same graph than the one in movescount.com

The custom apps values are really simple to extract. Each app is declared at the beginning of the SML file :
<Apps>
<App>
<Name>IntervalRun</Name>
<AppId>13673860</AppId>
<Format>Integer</Format>
<Prefix>Run </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalSpeed</Name>
<AppId>13673864</AppId>
<Format>Float</Format>
<Postfix> k/h</Postfix>
<Prefix>Spd </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalCounterTi</Name>
<AppId>13673874</AppId>
<Format>Time</Format>
<Prefix>Warmup </Prefix>
<Logged>False</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalSerie</Name>
<AppId>13673857</AppId>
<Format>Integer</Format>
<Prefix>Serie </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
</Apps>

Custom apps values are just logged like the others in each <sample> block :
<AppsData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>4</AppNumber>
<Value>2</Value>
</AppData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>2</AppNumber>
<Value>13.0</Value>
</AppData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>1</AppNumber>
<Value>5</Value>
</AppData>
</AppsData>
<VerticalSpeed>0.029999999999999999</VerticalSpeed>
<EnergyConsumption>1109.502</EnergyConsumption>
<Temperature>291.84999999999997</Temperature>
<AbsPressure>100170</AbsPressure>
<SeaLevelPressure>100590.00000000001</SeaLevelPressure>
<Altitude>34</Altitude>
<Distance>15853</Distance>
<Speed>3.6000000000000001</Speed>
<Time>5368.1180000000004</Time>
<SampleType>periodic</SampleType>
<UTC>2020-10-20T18:11:29.110Z</UTC>

So, it doesn’t seem complicated to retrieve those data and display them in the graph of the Suunto mobile app.

Hope it helps. I still believe in a happy ending with Suunto apps and those Suunto apps handling

I was reading this post and there are listed some incredible apps:

Sunrise/Sunset
Vertical Speed in m/h
Average vertical speed (m/h) (30s)
Real-time hill incline %
ClimbRate
GPS quality (signal strength)
GPS State
Time to Waypoint
Heart rate in %
ORTHOSTATIC HR TEST

5min ascent rate (average of the last 5minutes ascent rate in meters per HOUR (!)…)
ascent rate (transforms the normal ascent rate from m/min to m/h)
hill grade live (shows how steep in percent you are climbing, for cycling)
swissgrid x/y (swiss coordinste system)
DH counter (for skiing, started using it for trials as we started skiing with the kids on the slopes, I went only backcountry until last year, will use this app more serious next season)
sun (+)/sun(-) hours until sunrise/sunset at your last gps signals location

Some of them I have and use, but the others were a nice surprise to me.
I didn’t use much the Ambit for navigation due to having the etrex, but since it is on warranty it was nice to see it can have:
ETA TO DESTINATION
Time to Waypoint

Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?)

Brad_Olwin

@André-Faria said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

I was reading this post and there are listed some incredible apps:

Sunrise/Sunset

present in S9B

Vertical Speed in m/h

Present in S9B

Average vertical speed (m/h) (30s)

Real-time hill incline %
ClimbRate

The two above are in SuuntoPlus

GPS quality (signal strength)
GPS State
Time to Waypoint
Heart rate in %
ORTHOSTATIC HR TEST

5min ascent rate (average of the last 5minutes ascent rate in meters per HOUR (!)…)
ascent rate (transforms the normal ascent rate from m/min to m/h)

hill grade live (shows how steep in percent you are climbing, for cycling)

Present in SuuntoPlus

swissgrid x/y (swiss coordinste system)

DH counter (for skiing, started using it for trials as we started skiing with the kids on the slopes, I went only backcountry until last year, will use this app more serious next season)

Present in S9B

sun (+)/sun(-) hours until sunrise/sunset at your last gps signals location

Present in SuuntoPlus and on watch face

Some of them I have and use, but the others were a nice surprise to me.
I didn’t use much the Ambit for navigation due to having the etrex, but since it is on warranty it was nice to see it can have:

ETA TO DESTINATION

Already on S9B as well as ETE

Time to Waypoint

Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?)

So of the ones you have listed here most are already in the S9B and hence not many are missing

freeheeler

@Brad_Olwin
most honest: I don’t miss any of my ambit apps

jsuarez

@Brad_Olwin When stating “present in SuuntoPlus”, that should be followed by “in SuuntoPlus compatible watches”, which is not all Suunto watches and not all that are currently being sold, some of which cost a hefty amount of $.

Brad_Olwin

@jsuarez The message from the OP on this particular post was referring to the S9B stating this Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?), so I answered. Since this was directly addressing the S9B there was no need to qualify the SuuntoPlus statements.

sebchastang

Hi,

Back to my concern regarding new limitations following Suuntolink update which doesn’t allow to create or edit suunto apps anymore.

As mention in this topic, I use Suunto apps mainly for interval training and I created a fully configurable Suunto app to handle most interval session I use.
This Suunto app was private because I used to adjust variable values according to my interval session (you cannot edit a public Suunto app when someone else use it).

Now, as I cannot edit those variables, my app is useless.
So I reworked the interval app configuration in order to not rely on internal program variables, but get values from personal variables (available in watch directly or in Suuntolink watch settings).

Now, I use personal settings to define my interval session:

User Height for SERIE_COUNT: number of series
User Age for INTERVAL_COUNT: number of runs (intervals)
User Max HR for INTERVAL_FAST: Distance / Duration of Interval Run phase
User Rest HR for INTERVAL_SLOW: Distance / Duration of Interval Recovery phase
User Weight for INTERSERIE_DURATION: duration of recovery between 2 series
User Activity class for PHASE_UNIT: this variable is an important one as it define the unit used for interval

All explanations and details are in the following updated package (Suunto apps sources + documentation)

Feel free to contact me if you need more information.

So now, I am facing a last problem to be able to use this configuration. Those updated Suunto apps are now published as “public” but Suuntolink needs to be updated to include them in a next release.

@SuuntoTeam who visit this topic, please, (I promise this is my very last request regarding Suunto apps), could you please transmit this last request?
I would really appreciate and I thank you in advance.
Maybe a last refresh of available public suunto apps from movescount will be done soon to include latest published ones?

I really hope it will be possible so it could give a last chance to keep using my apps and use my watch for interval training.

I have spent a lot of hours to create those Suunto apps which allow Ambit/Traverse user to use Interval training and configure interval session according to their needs.
Suunto doesn’t provide any alternative to create / edit Suunto apps. I loose important data every time I have an interval session since log data are no more sync since Suuntolink replaced Movescount.
It would be a great satisfaction for me to still be able to use apps (even without logs).

Thanks again for help.

Edit 20211231: final update to improve variable computing (Due to complex computing, give more time for CPU to calculate interval specs)

isazi

@sebchastang not sure anything can be done, but maybe @pavel-samokha can ask this to Suunto.

Jurjen

I use an app for rowing on my Ambit, it displays the pace in time/500m. This is the standard in rowing, I use it at least once a week.

sebchastang

@isazi Hi,

I have been in touch with Suunto support:
-1st agent didn’t know about “Movescount Suunto apps” and was always confusing with Suunto mobile app (SA)
-2nd agent knew about “Suunto apps” but told me it is no more supported in Suuntolink.

@pavel-samokha It seems you are probably the one who can help by sending feedback to Suunto directly:
_ a final refresh of Suunto apps list available in Suuntolink
_ 5 sport modes limit for Traverse owners.

Thanks again for your help

pavel.samokha

@sebchastang I transmitted your feedback, that’s all I can say

margusl

@sebchastang said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

Now, I use personal settings to define my interval session

Somehow missed it before, but this must be one of the best Ambit app hacks ever

titus_fromnewtown

@pavel-samokha :
Please let them know that we shall at least to be able to add our own apps in the list of apps available in suunto link… with a possibility to edit those (I can’t imagine that my INTERVAL sport mode is frozen to 3x8x30"/30" forever !)

freeheeler

@titus_fromnewtown
…I’m not sure if it helps when you drop posts about your frustration in several threads… we all knew that some restrictions for Ambit were coming when Suunto announced the shutdown of Movescount over 2 years ago. For my impression Suunto gave Ambit users the chance to still use the Ambits with reasonable function.
The Ambit apps were very unique for Suunto and I think no other brand had ever offered something similar.

pavel.samokha

@titus_fromnewtown While I understand your frustration, I want to clarify a couple of things.

This is a community forum, not official channel to contact Suunto. If you want to contact the company you shall do that via suunto.com contacts.

I’m trying to help here, but that’s not my job. I’m not making any decisions. And I’m quite limited on what I can comment. When I think that I can comment - I do that.

There is no intention to deprive you of any function of your watch. I believe every single person inside Suunto would be happy if you could use your Ambits functions the best way. But implementing that requires a lot of resources and time. The tremendous amount of work was done to implement Ambits support in Suunto App and SuuntoLink.

Disclaimer: Everything said is my personal opinion. It can be wrong.