So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj nice list

I would correct it this way:

web platform - activity analysis - possible using third-party services

web platform - drawing routes - altitude profile doesn’t work due to Third-Party API from Mapbox was deprecated (that’s another reason why supporting cloud platform is not free)

STOP with the third party platforms…We had this all in one platform… So those of us that did not want or need third party services didn’t have to sign up for them… Then have to either use an app or another web platform!!!

Prenj

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj nice list

I would correct it this way:

web platform - activity analysis - possible using third-party services

web platform - drawing routes - altitude profile doesn’t work due to Third-Party API from Mapbox was deprecated (that’s another reason why supporting cloud platform is not free)

First point - true, but still we lost a feature that was offered with the watch when we bought it and now we have to use third party services and share our private data with them. Many users don’t feel comfortable to do that. And there is no guarantee that those third party services will interpret data from our watches like Movescount did or that will remain free, furthermore, some require paid subscription for the full set of features, that we had in Movescount.
Second point - Forgive me for saying this but - I don’t care! You have this working with all other Suunto watches in Suunto app.

pavel.samokha

@Prenj @lohtse as already said I’m not trying to persuade you as I understand you just angry people want things to stay exactly the same they were used to be and as you said yourself you don’t care the reasons to change. Though I’m not saying you don’t have your reasons.
But I have my right to comment at points I consider wrong.

pavel.samokha

And I hope you’ll be able to stay positive and find your way to work after MC shutdown

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj @lohtse as already said I’m not trying to persuade you as I understand you just angry people want things to stay exactly the same they were used to be and as you said yourself you don’t care the reasons to change. Though I’m not saying you don’t have your reasons.
But I have my right to comment at points I consider wrong.

I have already said am happy with change and I have even said I was looking forward too the Suunto app and what it promised… Just sadly it has been a complete failure for ambit/traverse owners… And Suunto have made no effort to correct this… As to you THANK YOU and I do mean that for being a voice even when we don’t agree I do have respect for you…Thank you for at least trying.

Prenj

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj @lohtse as already said I’m not trying to persuade you as I understand you just angry people want things to stay exactly the same they were used to be and as you said yourself you don’t care the reasons to change. Though I’m not saying you don’t have your reasons.
But I have my right to comment at points I consider wrong.

I don’t care about the API or whatever reason Suunto uses to justify the route profile doesn’t show anymore in Movescount. This made the whole route creation unusable. Suunto knew this problem with api for months (or even years) so they had enough time to fix it, like they fixed it in Suunto app.

I liked the movescount better than this whole app only enviroment, I won’t deny it. But the reason for raging is not that at all. It’s non equal treatment of all Suunto current watches. Amibit3 peak lost by far most features and that cannot be justified by watch release date (because it’s still sold) or hardware limitation (there is no any).

Most of us, I guess, would accept the whole transition thing if Ambit3 was treated the same as other current watches, if Suunto added full support in Suunto app. Is that wrong?

lohtse

@Prenj said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Most of us, I guess, would accept the whole transition thing if Ambit3 was treated the same as other current watches, if Suunto added full support in Suunto app. Is that wrong?

I suspect like you and even me it would make a lot of us very happy if that was the case.

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj nice list

I would correct it this way:

web platform - activity analysis - possible using third-party services

web platform - drawing routes - altitude profile doesn’t work due to Third-Party API from Mapbox was deprecated (that’s another reason why supporting cloud platform is not free)

STOP with the third party platforms…We had this all in one platform… So those of us that did not want or need third party services didn’t have to sign up for them… Then have to either use an app or another web platform!!!

Although I agree with you, the fact is that there is a change going, and we users also have to change something.
On my side, I wouldn’t mind to do routing and analysis on another platforms, but not eager to loose the others you mentioned.
When I started this topic the aim was to capitalized this change to suunto, so maybe they could change their mind, but I think we are not making it

lohtse

@André-Faria said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj nice list

I would correct it this way:

web platform - activity analysis - possible using third-party services

web platform - drawing routes - altitude profile doesn’t work due to Third-Party API from Mapbox was deprecated (that’s another reason why supporting cloud platform is not free)

STOP with the third party platforms…We had this all in one platform… So those of us that did not want or need third party services didn’t have to sign up for them… Then have to either use an app or another web platform!!!

Although I agree with you, the fact is that there is a change going, and we users also have to change something.
On my side, I wouldn’t mind to do routing and analysis on another platforms, but not eager to loose the others you mentioned.
When I started this topic the aim was to capitalized this change to suunto, so maybe they could change their mind, but I think we are not making it

Nope and I doubt they even look in the forum…if they did they would realise how we all feel.

Egika

@lohtse yes, Suunto does look into this forum. Some employees comment here on a regulars basis
Still it is not a valid claim to speak of “we all” in this respect.

@André-Faria This forum is a valid platform to make voices heard in Suunto. Just the decision about the digital platform change was made more than a year ago. While user’s input is always valid and important, it won’t change this important move that surely was thought through very well.

lohtse

@Egika said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

it won’t change this important move that surely was thought through very well.

Am assuming that is sarcasm lol

lohtse

@Egika said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse yes, Suunto does look into this forum. You have been discussing with a Suunto employee most of the time
Still it is not a valid claim to speak of “we all” in this respect.

I was aware I was but sadly though this may be the case those at Suunto are certainly not listening to what is said, So my comment was meant as a wider comment referring to Suuntos management etc.

Egika

@lohtse er - no
why should it.
And what do you expect to get from this discussion?

Listening to somebody does not always mean to follow everyone’s voice.
Otherwise a company would go nowhere but into chaos.
The users voting in this forum for features of the new app (this is what the forum was initially built for) surely made it into priorisation of tasks in R&D. Some employee did collect the data and write summaries and reports. Together with other input this was part of the product management decisions.

Still the move to start the all mobile app and leave MC behind had been taken even before.

Fenr1r

@Egika said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Still the move to start the all mobile app and leave MC behind had been taken even before. [My emphasis]

Which is an ethical, if not more “serious”, problem.

That day, or a later one >=2yrs from the closure, would have been the day to remove Ambits & Traverses from sale. And/or, at the very least, remove all MC-dependent functions from the spec sheets for all watches.

The continued, albeit terminal, existence of MC would have been a ~2yr bonus and veteran owners would still be grumpy but noone else would have been unaware, at point of sale, that they were to be deprived of a purchased function within guarantee.

what do you expect to get from this discussion?

Rhetorical satisfaction? Much like that question?

But you’re right. As wise philosophers T(T) Logan and WS Preston have said, this will all soon be dust in the wind. (Dude.)

lohtse

@Egika said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Still the move to start the all mobile app and leave MC behind had been taken even before.

Hmmmmm and that does not come across as a "stab in the back and get as much money as we can in the process"at all does it!?

Again shows how little they value their customers…

Simply no honesty from Suunto…

And they expect too keep their loyal customers

@Egika said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse yes, Suunto does look into this forum. You have been discussing with a Suunto employee most of the time
Still it is not a valid claim to speak of “we all” in this respect.

@André-Faria This forum is a valid platform to make voices heard in Suunto. Just the decision about the digital platform change was made more than a year ago. While user’s input is always valid and important, it won’t change this important move that surely was thought through very well.

I totally understand, in fact I am product engineer in a sports brand, so I know I things work sometimes.
The changed was annouced one year ago, but for Ambit 3 users, not much has changed. Ok the watch is now supported. which is great.
But what was also said, and very well, this is a watch that is still sold today, and that lost most of the features it had.
In fact, it was what I told to suunto by email: I only updated the A2 to A3 due to bluetooth/wireless capabilities and workouts. Now I end up with a A2.
Not good strategy, but totally understand where suunto wants to go, to dive us into a better experience (like S9).
But for that 30% discount is not enough, as others said we can get that in other stores/times of the year. It is not only for the money and sustainability, is the feeling of the client.
Hope to have helped

isazi

@André-Faria said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

The changed was annouced one year ago, but for Ambit 3 users, not much has changed. Ok the watch is now supported. which is great.

Just for clarity, it was almost 2 years ago.

@isazi said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@André-Faria said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

The changed was annouced one year ago, but for Ambit 3 users, not much has changed. Ok the watch is now supported. which is great.

Just for clarity, it was almost 2 years ago.

Still.
Just saying it will end and still sell the watch with same specs (only some time ago it was changed in their website) is not we could call professional from a company.
Regarding old users, they made it compatible, which is better than nothing, but still, I feel it is not enough.
But again, our complaints depends on our benchmark. If you take garmin as example, they also don’t listen to their customers (but they support old products).
But other companies listen and take them very seriously (take the example of decathlon with their platform of co-creation

stromdiddily

@lohtse it’s not about it not happening to Suunto. It’s about when it happens, it’s not going to brick their watches like it did for Garmin.

@stromdiddily said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse it’s not about it not happening to Suunto. It’s about when it happens, it’s not going to brick their watches like it did for Garmin.

When did it brick watches for Garmin?