So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?
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@ramón-castañer-botella
I can not only imagine, it is clearly noticable from your posts
it is how it is, Ambit was way ahead of competitor watches and maybe not the most wanted watch for everyone but it was very capable and customizable as you also mention with the apps and how you made use of it. I did that myself, too.
The thing is that companies need strategies to be able keeping up with the competitors and hence to pay salleries.
The time of Ambit has come and while it is still a useful watch it has lost some of its functions as I understand. But Ambit integration into SA is not entirely over afaik. For MC the communication was that the relevant features will remain, in my understanding: you will still be able to do app coding.
If MC does not show any of the activities anymore, I would expect that it will be available in SA eventually.living sideways
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@chrish
yes, I would expect that. But if so, with lower priority as only new watches generate money. (and happy customers that stay with Suunto) -
You said “that companies need strategies to be able keeping up with the competitors”.
That’s not true because there are different competitors brands with which you can make your own apps and upload the data as temporal graph registry, for example, Garmin. -
yes and no. I sold my Spartan due to poor functionality onboard the watch as compared to the Ambit. Early releases of the Suunto App made that seem even worse, even though MC was still available and viable for the Spartan…it produced a lack of confidence in the entire platform. And I’ve yet to jump on the S9 due to the same reasons…eagerly awaiting POI management. That’s still in ‘beta’ on iOS, so I’m still waiting. But you don’t continue to make money on new watches if you dump on your customer base by managing transitions the way Suunto has over the last 2 years. Suunto would have gotten another $600-700 from me when the S9 dropped, but they didn’t. So they missed out on an entire cycle of upgrade potentially. Even w/ the 30% owner loyalty I’ve got sitting in my inbox, it might be too little to late to have made that money, I might wait for vNext from Suunto at this point.
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@chrish
I’m not sure what’s worse for Suunto, few really frustrated customers or some that are frustrated at first but then jump on the train? I’m sure they’ll loose customers but I’m also sure they can catch a lot of customers with their S-Line. The Spartans did not convince me at all, mainly because of the battery life. I was a happy A3PS user and now they’ve got my money for the S9B.And that’s what I mean @Ramón-Castañer-Botella with keeping up with competitors. It does not mean to supply the most capable watch, it means to listen what the majority of users needs, plus some pros of course… and then adapt your product range to the market needs.
As I said, I used some of the Ambit apps and don’t miss any of them with the S9B.
And believe me (or do not and read my forum history), I was veeery skeptical and hesitant to upgrade to the S9B. It took me a while before I took the step forward.living sideways
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You said “it means to listen what the majority of users needs”.
That’s a way to see the market but not ever is the best solution. For example, if you sell a product for the masses perhaps it wouldn’t be the best product neither the most expensive. Of course, this strategy can give more money to a corporation but perhaps this brand is going to loose some customers that are searching for a more professional product and obviously more expensive.My impression is that Suunto is looking for a kind people interested on a more elegant watches than before but less focused on sports performance.
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@ramón-castañer-botella
I find my watch pretty perform-ish to be honest.
It’s not only about the products to streamline but mainly about the hard and software in the background that need to be maintained. This is frequent cost and needs to be optimised, too. -
@freeheeler
Yea, I get it. I just hope it works. I’m still on Suunto b/c of the hardware quality, the simplicity of the UI, and the GPS accuracy. If you’ve read any of my posts, I’m not in the category of most of you guys. It’s a backcountry nav tool for me, and nothing else. Yes, the GPS tracks after the fact are neat, but not necessary for me. Training, zero interest/need. But I get that targeting the rest of the folks that do use those features are the majority and where the $ is for sales.But, I hope they are doing more than a poll on this forum, and I’m sure they are. Listening to the majority of users needs to be tempered with market and competitor research b/c ‘majority of users’ will typically result in building a product or service around the complainers…like me
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@chrish The POI management is fully functional. I would not consider the “beta” builds to be what one might call beta. I have not ever been on the App Store release. There are occasionally some annoying bugs but most of those never make it to the beta. The field testers see the “beta” at least a week prior to general public release. I see no reason not to use the beta builds.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@freeheeler said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
And that’s what I mean @Ramón-Castañer-Botella with keeping up with competitors. It does not mean to supply the most capable watch, it means to listen what the majority of users needs, plus some pros of course… and then adapt your product range to the market needs.
I am sure that Suunto is listening to their customer needs.
Now those needs should be better than just listing what is available elsewhere.
I do hope that Suunto is cooking their next innovations right now. Things nobody is thinkig of at the moment! Like when they came out with Fused Track.
For normal users it is difficult to think beyond the things you know.
For Suuntos innovation managers it should be their daily work and this is what gets you ahead of competition - not implementing stuff already available. This is what market followers do… -
@brad_olwin I totally agree. The “beta” works flawlessly.
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Thanks! That’s good to know. But I don’t have a watch that it supports right now. Still on the A3P. So using the app and the POI features wouldn’t be of much benefit, other than to play w/ it I guess. But, that may mean jumping on an S9 in late March before my discount code expires if they offer enough to double up and get the price down. Otherwise, I may wait for whatever comes next, S9 ‘next version’, whatever they call it.
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@chrish
there was a daydeal in one online shop in Switzerland recently. S9B Titanium Ambassador for 499,- instead of 728,- CHF. Discount limited to 500 pieces.
I guess you’ll find discounts like that every now and then.
I am a convinced user of one watch only… that’s why I gave my A3PS to a good friend of mine. But who knows what’s coming up, maybe I’ll go for 2 watches anyway eventually
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Wow. Yea, I’d pretty likely jump on the Ambassador edition if it went on sale between now and end of March. I really want a customized S9B though…basically a S9B, titanium bezel, gray case, brown leather band for day wear and a secondary nylon band for trail use. But the customized model hardly ever goes on sale, maybe once a year IIRC, so might not be in the cards for me. We’ll see what March brings, almost here. Murphy’s law says that they won’t announce anything new and get it up for order before the loyalty discount expires…but a $400-450 S9B might be a good stop-gap until the next big thing comes out.
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@prenj said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
don’t need watch from company that thinks that it’s entitled to, when they choose to do so, disable some functions of my watch
exactly, couldn’t say it better!
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@chrish s9b titanium is 14% discounted in germany if I recall correctly, is customizable too.
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@дима-мельниченко thanks! i’ll check it out. the s9b entire line was recently on sale here in the US for 30%-ish off and I was ready to ‘stack’ my loyalty 30% and buy when these S9 Peak rumors started. while a discount is good, if I’m going to get more functionality even at full price, I decided to wait and see what happens.
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What to do now that Movescount has closed? I haven’t figured yet.
Owner of the Ambit 3 Peak since 2016, I don’t have a smartphone. Even if, would I look at tracks (maybe high mountain paths) on a smartphone screen? with no keyboard and mouse?
For the moment I upload the .sml files to Runalyze which, although reads all RR intervals correctly, appears to do differently from Movecount in smoothing/fitering/averaging data series.Add to that, a few days ago I mistakenly deleted my watch from “My watches” in my Movescount account so now I’m not able to connect it back any more and so no more customizations.
So long for now,
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@jgeronimo if I’m not mistaking, you don’t need a smartphone all the time as an ambit user. You just need to create an account in SA and connect to 3d party of your choice like runalize or training peaks. That’s it, your workouts will automatically sync and you can use desktop versions as much as you want. Sure you won’t get all of original functions, but it’s still something, right?
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@дима-мельниченко
I think @JGeronimo is a bit annoyed that he can’t setup his watch anymore… but I would expect that there should be a way to reconnect the watch to someone’s profile… I’m not the right guy to help here as I gave my A3PS away and can not test, sorry.
But it is as you say, the situation for Ambit users is not extremely comfy, but it is way better than I’ve expected at first
