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    • Tyll Voigt
      Tyll Voigt last edited by

      Hello!
      I am using the new suunto app with my spartan sport without any bigger issues so far. Since I deleted the movescount app from my phone and only use the suunto app, no activities are getting synced between the suunto app and the web based movescount.
      How can I fix this?

      Thanks a lot!

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      • Marcin Byrtek
        Marcin Byrtek Silver Members @Tyll Voigt last edited by

        @Tyll-Voigt Suunto App doesn’t sync with Movescount.

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        • Tyll Voigt
          Tyll Voigt last edited by

          Does this mean I can only see the activities on my phone and not anywhere on my laptop???

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          • Marcin Byrtek
            Marcin Byrtek Silver Members @Tyll Voigt last edited by

            @Tyll-Voigt yes…but Hey! you can use a very good web based analyze tools like:

            https://quantified-self.io/home
            or Runalyze.

            You can set up autosync in SunntoApp for Runalyze or directly in web service for QS.

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            • Tyll Voigt
              Tyll Voigt last edited by

              Ok great, I will try that. Seems a bit weird that Suunto is launching a new app which is not compatible with their only online (desktop) tool…

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              • jseguir
                jseguir Bronze Member @Tyll Voigt last edited by

                @Tyll-Voigt you can see your activities in https://www.sports-tracker.com/dashboard

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                • Fenr1r
                  Fenr1r @Tyll Voigt last edited by Fenr1r

                  @Tyll-Voigt That online tool is for the chop: https://www.suunto.com/transition.

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                  • freeheeler
                    freeheeler @jseguir last edited by

                    @jseguir
                    but sports-tracker is not the web for SA.

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                    • isazi
                      isazi Moderator @freeheeler last edited by

                      @TELE-HO to be fair, neither are QS, Runalyze, and any other service.

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                      • freeheeler
                        freeheeler @isazi last edited by

                        @isazi
                        BUT they don’t sync without you knowing it and on the other hand they show data that is really really useful 🙂

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                        • isazi
                          isazi Moderator @freeheeler last edited by

                          @TELE-HO the fact that ST has your activities without you even having to ask for that, shows that, in practice, the two systems are very close to each other. Now, we may find that ST is pretty useless for us, but it is kind of a fact that if you don’t want to enable any third party service, but still be able to see your activities on the web, ST is the only actual solution.

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                          • Fenr1r
                            Fenr1r @isazi last edited by

                            @isazi If I don’t want ST to have my data, can I prevent that?

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                            • freeheeler
                              freeheeler @Fenr1r last edited by

                              @Fenr1r
                              I don’t think it is possible as the database is appearently the same…

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                              • Fenr1r
                                Fenr1r @freeheeler last edited by

                                @TELE-HO Thanks. Although it’s not a civilisation-ending issue, I’m not very happy about that. Do you know if client use of Movescount already lets Amer move his/her data wherever the company pleases within its operations or if that common ST/SA database requires extra permissions linked to use of SA? Was there mention of ST in the SA EULA (assuming there is such a thing)?

                                If the App can work happily off-line, perhaps syncing with its backend (in the shape of that joint ST db) should also be optional. If folk want to restrict their activities to the external services the closure of MC.com may encourage (full-screen, etc.), why should anything have to go to ST at all?

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                                • freeheeler
                                  freeheeler @Fenr1r last edited by

                                  @Fenr1r said in Suunto app does not sync activities to movescount (web based):

                                  Do you know if client use of Movescount already lets Amer move his/her data wherever the company pleases within its operations or if that common ST/SA database requires extra permissions linked to use of SA

                                  I’m not sure, I could move my data to SA completely, but not sure about customers with Ambits and other watches… if this is what you mean?

                                  true, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s not nice and clean either

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                                  • Fenr1r
                                    Fenr1r @freeheeler last edited by Fenr1r

                                    @TELE-HO Thanks. Actually, I almost mean the reverse. I mean keeping my movement data off the SA server altogether, if that is to be shared with another service (ST) which is of no use to me. If I am only going to use SA as an import/export bridge to external (non-Amer) services, I don’t need (or want) them to have my activities on any db.

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                                    • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r last edited by

                                      @Fenr1r I think in theory one could do that using the SA Android / SL

                                      Turn on offline mode sync get the SML .

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                                      • Fenr1r
                                        Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

                                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting. And in Apple+PC world? Intercept the SML in the offlined PC’s file system? Does SL chuck one out to await syncing like good ol’ ML?

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                                        • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r last edited by

                                          @Fenr1r it stores the SML files in a folder /Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/Suuntolink as zip, .gz, .json (depending on the watch)

                                          Needs to be “enabled to sync with MC”

                                          Those files QS can parse 😉

                                          And theoretically you can / could pass them to any other app converted , or run QS even locally in an emulator (with some coding effort).

                                          Long time ago I wanted my ‘raw’ data 🙂

                                          Btw there is a tool that can pull those without the SL being installed for some more advanced users.

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                                          • Fenr1r
                                            Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by Fenr1r

                                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto app does not sync activities to movescount (web based):

                                            Btw there is a tool that can pull those without the SL being installed for some more advanced users.

                                            Accessing the file system on the watch directly? I am highly intrigued and sufficiently advanced as to tie my own laces (on a good day). Where might I find this tool?

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                                            • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r last edited by

                                              @Fenr1r To clarify this I think is for ambits. For Spartans / S it is more “internal” but I am pushing to stop being so. I think it’s some opensource license involved. No clue why this is stalling but a good reminder for me.

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                                              • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

                                                @Fenr1r and I said something wrong again. It’s no FS access (the "tool"I refer to is for pulling out kinda the same files SL creates) . The folders above are where files by SL live.

                                                For ambit opensource is https://github.com/openambitproject/openambit

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                                                • Fenr1r
                                                  Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by Fenr1r

                                                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Knew that was too good to be true (for the moment). I’ve got openambit working - inelegant but effective. Hope you do get the Spartan/S version released. And, perhaps a Disable option on the App’s auto-syncing so that the more tinfoil-hatted/privacy-conscious among us don’t have to play Disconnect-The-Internet in order to extract our activities. Many thanks.

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                                                  • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r last edited by

                                                    @Fenr1r to be honest I never understood why not this tool is not out…
                                                    One could find the same data the tool fetches (kinda as I said before) at the SL folder.

                                                    Extra: Add a Java encoder bin file for FIT file conversion and voila… Server issues? Something else? … No problem…

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                                                    • Fenr1r
                                                      Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by Fenr1r

                                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

                                                      Maybe, and you’d know infinitely better than I, there wasn’t really a holistic concept for replacing all the parts of the original MC. MC contained so much more that happened on the server side (vs watch and/or M/SL-equipped computer) so there was never any incentive to develop something to work on those bridge devices. The handheld GPS I mentioned, Satmap, has a little utility which does that (more or less: proprietal file-type conversion+), as well as wifi for a file-system device-server link.

                                                      Maybe there was fear of dilution of user loyalty when having to use MC would keep idle minds from wandering (shopping around for other route planners/analysis), as they might if they could extract a FIT or GPX from the start.

                                                      Maybe fear of feature & platform creep - “shouldn’t such a utility be able to control watch settings as well?” Just as SA does for the Spartan/S… why would one want to need a server connection to adjust sports modes?

                                                      Anyhow: could that Java encoder bin extract a GPX file, too, please? And whatever the hell form those POIs are stored in.

                                                      ευχαριστώ

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