Suunto app does not sync activities to movescount (web based)

Fenr1r

@Tyll-Voigt That online tool is for the chop: https://www.suunto.com/transition.

freeheeler

@jseguir
but sports-tracker is not the web for SA.

isazi

@TELE-HO to be fair, neither are QS, Runalyze, and any other service.

freeheeler

@isazi
BUT they don’t sync without you knowing it and on the other hand they show data that is really really useful

isazi

@TELE-HO the fact that ST has your activities without you even having to ask for that, shows that, in practice, the two systems are very close to each other. Now, we may find that ST is pretty useless for us, but it is kind of a fact that if you don’t want to enable any third party service, but still be able to see your activities on the web, ST is the only actual solution.

Fenr1r

@isazi If I don’t want ST to have my data, can I prevent that?

freeheeler

@Fenr1r
I don’t think it is possible as the database is appearently the same…

Fenr1r

@TELE-HO Thanks. Although it’s not a civilisation-ending issue, I’m not very happy about that. Do you know if client use of Movescount already lets Amer move his/her data wherever the company pleases within its operations or if that common ST/SA database requires extra permissions linked to use of SA? Was there mention of ST in the SA EULA (assuming there is such a thing)?

If the App can work happily off-line, perhaps syncing with its backend (in the shape of that joint ST db) should also be optional. If folk want to restrict their activities to the external services the closure of MC.com may encourage (full-screen, etc.), why should anything have to go to ST at all?

freeheeler

@Fenr1r said in Suunto app does not sync activities to movescount (web based):

Do you know if client use of Movescount already lets Amer move his/her data wherever the company pleases within its operations or if that common ST/SA database requires extra permissions linked to use of SA

I’m not sure, I could move my data to SA completely, but not sure about customers with Ambits and other watches… if this is what you mean?

true, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s not nice and clean either

Fenr1r

@TELE-HO Thanks. Actually, I almost mean the reverse. I mean keeping my movement data off the SA server altogether, if that is to be shared with another service (ST) which is of no use to me. If I am only going to use SA as an import/export bridge to external (non-Amer) services, I don’t need (or want) them to have my activities on any db.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r I think in theory one could do that using the SA Android / SL

Turn on offline mode sync get the SML .

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting. And in Apple+PC world? Intercept the SML in the offlined PC’s file system? Does SL chuck one out to await syncing like good ol’ ML?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r it stores the SML files in a folder /Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/Suuntolink as zip, .gz, .json (depending on the watch)

Needs to be “enabled to sync with MC”

Those files QS can parse

And theoretically you can / could pass them to any other app converted , or run QS even locally in an emulator (with some coding effort).

Long time ago I wanted my ‘raw’ data

Btw there is a tool that can pull those without the SL being installed for some more advanced users.

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto app does not sync activities to movescount (web based):

Btw there is a tool that can pull those without the SL being installed for some more advanced users.

Accessing the file system on the watch directly? I am highly intrigued and sufficiently advanced as to tie my own laces (on a good day). Where might I find this tool?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r To clarify this I think is for ambits. For Spartans / S it is more “internal” but I am pushing to stop being so. I think it’s some opensource license involved. No clue why this is stalling but a good reminder for me.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r and I said something wrong again. It’s no FS access (the "tool"I refer to is for pulling out kinda the same files SL creates) . The folders above are where files by SL live.

For ambit opensource is https://github.com/openambitproject/openambit

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Knew that was too good to be true (for the moment). I’ve got openambit working - inelegant but effective. Hope you do get the Spartan/S version released. And, perhaps a Disable option on the App’s auto-syncing so that the more tinfoil-hatted/privacy-conscious among us don’t have to play Disconnect-The-Internet in order to extract our activities. Many thanks.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r to be honest I never understood why not this tool is not out…
One could find the same data the tool fetches (kinda as I said before) at the SL folder.

Extra: Add a Java encoder bin file for FIT file conversion and voila… Server issues? Something else? … No problem…

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

Maybe, and you’d know infinitely better than I, there wasn’t really a holistic concept for replacing all the parts of the original MC. MC contained so much more that happened on the server side (vs watch and/or M/SL-equipped computer) so there was never any incentive to develop something to work on those bridge devices. The handheld GPS I mentioned, Satmap, has a little utility which does that (more or less: proprietal file-type conversion+), as well as wifi for a file-system device-server link.

Maybe there was fear of dilution of user loyalty when having to use MC would keep idle minds from wandering (shopping around for other route planners/analysis), as they might if they could extract a FIT or GPX from the start.

Maybe fear of feature & platform creep - “shouldn’t such a utility be able to control watch settings as well?” Just as SA does for the Spartan/S… why would one want to need a server connection to adjust sports modes?

Anyhow: could that Java encoder bin extract a GPX file, too, please? And whatever the hell form those POIs are stored in.

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isazi

@Fenr1r if in the SA configuration (at least on Android) you open the “Data practices” or the “Privacy policy” pages, you are redirected to the sports-tracker website, which contains the overall data and privacy policy of Amer Sports. So nothing fishy here, it’s all written there, and agreed by the users.