Suunto 7
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, clear. I guess that would be a bit too extreme for me
I thought powersaving mode was only stopping wifi / bluetooth connections but you would still have the possibility to see the heatmap watchface, the google fit tiles etcâŠ
â> I mixed up powersaving mode with airplane mode. Have you already tested all long the battery last in airplane mode, assuming a âstandardâ frequence of waking up of the screen? -
@zhang965 You are very clever.
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Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt
The worst reviewerâŠ
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Sitting in a hotel bed in ChinaâŠBut coming back to my question that has not been answered yet.
Can the Suunto watch app be used on other WearOS devices?I think to become a better reviewer, he has to change his nameâŠ
in theory it could, but most probably wont work due to the firmware versions of the HW drivers that are propertiary (GOOGLE/Qualcomm/Suunto)
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Hello, Suunto family. Do any of you know if the upcoming 7 will allow .gpx route imports, route planning, etc? Thanks!
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More video of the great reviewer Zhang, this is about sensors
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@Agustin-Gonzalez-Perez-Corral yes but not at start afaik
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7:
@Agustin-Gonzalez-Perez-Corral yes but not at start afaik
will suunto publish a roadmap of future updates as did with spartan family? Sensors connectivity, route guidance and import between other may be basic for a watch like this so I feel like having a deja-vu (yes I paid for the original suunto spartan ultra years ago)
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks man. Happy 2020 (not sure for how long we are allowed to wish it). Could this be a test to see if the S7 approach can be the way forward for the company?
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Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt
The worst reviewerâŠ
Avec tout lâhistorique que GĂ©rald a avec la marque Suunto. Et aprĂšs avoir lu ses critiques sur la Vantage V et la Vertix, je trouve quâil reste objectif. Ce qui nâest pas toujours le cas du plus mĂ©diatique Ray. MĂȘme si GarminRay avait Ă©tĂ© trĂšs critique sur lÂŽĂ©cosystĂšme de Garmin.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 7:
@DmitryKo @LuĂs-Pinto @NickK For me, I would (and am) use this as a daily watch, then use the S9 for SkiMo and long exercises. I think 8-10h GPS from the S7 is possible. Although 12 is the specification weâre not quite there yet. I did a 5.5h run last weekend and was able to use the watch the entire day without charging. Why would
I do this, screen is amazing and maps are great. Now to get SA to have multi watch support.Cool story bro, nice to hear that you can afford to think about spending over $1k on sport watches. Most people donât and most people arenât prepared to pay $500 for a smart/half-sport watch.
All this smells like another repeated Spartan launch ⊠your watch will get better over time, except it actually wonât do it fast enough and you will pay a premium to Suunto to be their test crash dummy.
Honestly, it looks like a good watch, but as many have said before me, not for the athletes - where is the external sensor support (cycling power/cadence meters, HR belts, âŠ) and the same story without sport mode customisation as with the Spartans at the start ⊠no thank you, not falling for that one again.
Besides that, cramming in an outdated power hungry SOC, coupled with a power hungry display and I am sure no software voodoo can save this thing from being battery drained in less than a day with smart features on and training for an hour.
I hope they sell a lot of these to the instagram chicks so they can make something better next year. Oh wait, instagram chicks use iPhones, I totally forgot.SHUT UP LEGS!
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Besides that, cramming in an outdated power hungry SOC, coupled with a power hungry display and I am sure no software voodoo can save this thing from being battery drained in less than a day with smart features on and training for an hour.
I donât know if anyone noticed this particular paragraph from Suunto 7 guide which shows just how much power hungry the display and CPU is:
Taking a new route? The Suunto 7 can keep going for up to 7 hours during outdoor training with GPS and maps, assuming the watch map is on for 10 seconds once every 3 minutes.
So think about this. 10 seconds once every 3 minutes is just over 5% of time. So using map on S7 just 5% of the time almost halves the battery life while using GPS. That means - forget about really following a navigation route with this watch. Youâd have to constantly go out of navigation screen to save the battery and the watch would still be dead much sooner.
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@silentvoyager I think it has been established already this watch is clearly not for people who need more than 5-8 hours of GPS, maps, music, etc. And letâs face it: that would still be a vast majority of the population.
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@fejker To be perfectly honest, I did not have to pay for the S7 since I am testing butâŠthe preproduction units may not be hardware bug free. The production units may have hardware changes based on testing. With that aside, I tested the S5 and liked the watch but I would not purchase it. I purchased my S9 when they were announced and so it is 1.5y old. Since the S9 is ideal for what I need, after a couple of years I could be in the market for a new watch and have long considered an Apple Watch (my entire family besides me has one). I have seen how workouts are done no the AW and just not willing to spend the $, especially since exporting data is clunky at best and battery life is an issue. However, the S7 I would consider to complement my S9 as I would make good use of the mapping features. The S7 is good enough for any athlete that does not want to exercise for more than 7-10h at one time, is willing to charge every day to 1.5 days and does not need complex intervals, etc. It has all of the sports options the S series has but no sport mode customization. Frankly, the screens are well thought out and the running, trail running, running interval and ski tour screens are good for me.
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@silentvoyager The map page is always active, it is the breadcrumb screen. I have used it several times for navigating while traveling, running where I have never been before. The battery is consumed at a higher rate when on the maps page but you donât need it all of the time. For me it has not been an issue using for navigation on 2h to 3h runs in new places. I was in Copenhagen and got lost running, the maps were fantastic and allowed me to figure out where my hotel was. I also used the maps to change my route on the fly as I could see trails that I had not paid attention to when trying to plan a route for my S9.
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@Brad_Olwin you are trying too hard to sell this thing, achieves quite the opposite effect.
I get it that you have been testing this thing for Suunto, but that just makes you biased and not thinking clearly as you are on the ânew toy highâ.SHUT UP LEGS!
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@fejker and in my opinion you try too hard to criticise this watch you havenât tried, that no one forces you to buy, and somehow manage at the same time to insult those who are tempted by this new concept (for Suunto)
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@jean-william-cousin said in Suunto 7:
@fejker and in my opinion you try to hard to criticise this watch you havenât tried, that no one forces you to buy, and somehow insult those who are tempted by this new concept (for Suunto)
Donât get me wrong, I want this watch to be good, but so far I have seen nothing but a Spartan fiasco reprise. Disappointed customer here trying to help Suunto build a better watch and ecosystem and get my moneyâs worth.
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@Brad_Olwin you are trying too hard to sell this thing, achieves quite the opposite effect.
Likewise, looks like you are too disappointed Suunto hasnât delivered S7 exactly per your spec. Well, maybe they noticed Apple Watch and Fitbit Versa are selling in millions and S9 isnât.
We can argue implementation details and price points, but letâs agree on a basic premise: there are tens of millions of people out there who want a smartwatch with premium materials and design thatâs not your utilitarian blank square and who are only moderately active, hitting the road and/or gym every now and then. They donât have heart rate belts, footpods, or dedicated sports watches. Nor do they care about these. This is a product for them!
Will they pay $499? Time will tell! Most basic current Apple Watch starts at $399, but pick a stainless steel case â and you are looking at $699. Want a 44mm screen? How about $749? And donât even get me started on titanium or ceramic cases, or premium bands⊠Youâd be blowing past $1500 in no time!
Besides that, cramming in an outdated power hungry SOC, coupled with a power hungry display
They have Qualcomm 3100, which is still current. 3300 is promised, but has it been delivered to anybody? As per the AMOLED display, again. Itâs obviously for somebody who wants a sharp bright screen like Apple Watch, and not 100 hours of battery life. To each his own.
Perhaps, before we get all upset at Suunto for not deliverying our personal dream device, we should ask what Suunto is trying to accomplish with this device? And whoâs its intended audience? Otherwise, criticizing Suunto for bright screen of S7 because you personally donât want it is like picking an issue with DM5 excessive waterproofing because you donât scuba dive.
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@NickK 3100 is 2016 tech based on 28 nm. Clearly not the best time to adopt this SOC as the new SOC is right around the corner.
As for Apple watch, totally different crowd, we are talking Suunto here. And yes, I want this watch to sell good, so Suunto has enough resources to build something better.
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@NickK 3100 is 2016 tech based on 28 nm. Clearly not the best time to adopt this SOC as the new SOC is right around the corner.
The keyword is around the corner, right? Because itâs not here. Which means if Suunto waited for 3300 to be delivered and then spent a good 6 months+ it usually takes to incorporate a new SoC into a product, youâd see S7 in its current raw form for the holiday season of 2020 at best. More likely in 2021. In the meantime, the company would continue to lose sales in the most profitable segment.
As for Apple watch, totally different crowd, we are talking Suunto here.
The one Suunto thatâs fighting for dear life? That Suunto? The one that now competes with $300 ultra watches from COROS and other Chinese copycats? The good thing about Apple Watch is that itâs tied to iOS. And iOS isnât in majority even in the US and Europe. With Fitbit gone, Suunto may see an opening for a primarily Android-bound smartwatch, with great design and more serious than usual sports chops.
Then next year, when 3300 is out and is baked into WearOS, they will reboot S3 as cheaper $300 and S7 as improved $500 smartwatch-based units.
And yes, I want this watch to sell good, so Suunto has enough resources to build something better.
Then get your wallet out and repeat after me: âI want S7, I deserve S7, Iâm so totally buying S7ââŠ
